What is the projected upgrade time for Mesaba new hires?

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I have gone the regional route before and would like to return if I can find a place with reasonable upgrade times. Objective info appreciated.
 

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I have gone the regional route before and would like to return if I can find a place with reasonable upgrade times. Objective info appreciated.
Hey there, "Pal" -
Listen here, "Pal"
Sorry couldn't resist...

Mesaba upgrade as of the most recent vacancy award issued about a week ago shows the most junior Captain on the award with 1yr 4mo seniority.

Of course, now is when I would say something like all those financial commercials or e-trade websites, like "past performance doesn't predict future results" blahah lahb blah you get the idea. Personally, the rumors at Mesaba are good these days, so probably a good time to get aboard.
 

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I am not 'in the know" But if you get on with Mesaba now, give it a shot you would be an FO for quite a while. That is unless we grow more. Now if you look at the writing on the wall, we are staged for growth. NWA should order more 900's, will they come to us? Who knows, but XJ just spent millions on ground trainning equipment just when our 900 and 200 deliveries were ending. That does not make sense, unless there is future growth. Also, as much as I do not want to see the 9's at NWA leave, they have a schedule to retire them as they hit a certain date. What will they replace them with? Should have came here when we were hiring street captains-but hind sight is 20/20. Maybe someone else has better insight.
 

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upgrade time? In this current industry? Having a job right now and dodging furlough is the first priority.
 

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Mesa....
 

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Do not ever bank on "upgrade times".
upgrade time? In this current industry? Having a job right now and dodging furlough is the first priority.
Both outstanding points. The be basing sh** on upgrade times. Look at CHQ. Many guys went for the 2 year upgrade and are now either furloughed or looking at getting furloughed. So, there ya go.
 

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Hi!

The current plan is to replace the -9s with the Bombardier "C", which comes out starting 2012. Boeing was trying to get NWA to consider their new 100-150 seat replacement aircraft, but it won't come out for at least 2 years after the "C". The "C" has the new Geared Turbofan (GTF) engines, which are supposed to be 20% more efficient than the MOST fuel efficient engines flying today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_CSeries

http://www.bombardier.com/en/aerospace/products/commercial-aircraft/cseries?docID=0901260d800091e6

http://www.bombardier.com/en/aerosp...al-aircraft/technology?docID=0901260d800091f1

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when NWA ordered the 175s and 900's, they also came with a substantial amount of "options" from both companies. If I am not mistaken, it was like 100 options from Emb and like 150 from BOMBardiere. I am assuming options are bought, and that Delta is carrying over those options to the new company. Am I wrong, or is it anyones guess since its super top secret
 

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I don't know, but I assume a very long time once Northwest furlough and pilots flow back.
 

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Doesn't really apply to XJ, the flow thru only allows flow back into those positions that flowed up. At the moment I think that's only 14 or so spots.
 

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More airplanes = fast upgrades. Use this formula to find the place with the quickest upgrade. Good luck with the furlough.
 

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More airplanes = fast upgrades. Use this formula to find the place with the quickest upgrade. Good luck with the furlough.
Really... mkay....

Guess how many airplanes this airline has:
Most junior turboprop captain hired: June 2001 (S340/LAX)
Most junior jet captain hired: Sept 2000 (ERJ145/ORD)
 

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I'd say upgrades at any airline run from to 2 months to never. Plan accordingly.
 

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Really... mkay....

Guess how many airplanes this airline has:
Most junior turboprop captain hired: June 2001 (S340/LAX)
Most junior jet captain hired: Sept 2000 (ERJ145/ORD)
OH OH OH!!! I KNOW I KNOW!!! What do win?
 

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I am not 'in the know" But if you get on with Mesaba now, give it a shot you would be an FO for quite a while. That is unless we grow more. Now if you look at the writing on the wall, we are staged for growth. NWA should order more 900's, will they come to us? Who knows, but XJ just spent millions on ground trainning equipment just when our 900 and 200 deliveries were ending. That does not make sense, unless there is future growth. Also, as much as I do not want to see the 9's at NWA leave, they have a schedule to retire them as they hit a certain date. What will they replace them with? Should have came here when we were hiring street captains-but hind sight is 20/20. Maybe someone else has better insight.
The reason that they spent millions on training equipment is that the entitlements from the manufacturer are ending with the last deliveries. When they orginally cost out the upstart, training expenses were factored into the startup proposal of doing offsight training. Bringing it "back home" (so to speak) is and has always been more financially benefical. Same thing with the Avro. We had more entitlements with BAE than we do with Bombardier, but eventually, that's why we brought the sim back to MSP. You only need about 28 airplanes to make a sim cost neutral. It isn't necessarily based on expectant growth. Besides, they sure wouldn't spend a dime in today's market without a signed contract of future growth somewhere. Any additional equipment needed for growth (like training equipment) is and has always been placed in the bid projections sent out to the airlines. Our initial bid to NWA for the 200's and the 900's included only contract training. It becomes a cost benefit for the company to bring more training inhouse as the bid projections are now lowered from the originals, thus showing better training numbers in the books for XJ. It doesn't necessarily mean more growth as it does better books for NWA.
 
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If 28 planes is the break even point how does that explain the need for the CRJ200 sim?
 

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If 28 planes is the break even point how does that explain the need for the CRJ200 sim?
Was an OLD sim Bombardier had in boxes and were happy to get rid of at a low low price.

If we had to buy a brand new SIM like the 900, we would never have bought it.
 

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Ah so it's sort of like the 2nd Saab sim then.
 

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Was an OLD sim Bombardier had in boxes and were happy to get rid of at a low low price.

If we had to buy a brand new SIM like the 900, we would never have bought it.
This sim is the Independance Air sim that NWA got when they bought the Independance certificate.
 
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