What is my flight time?

[Skyboy722]

You log PIC when you are solo and working on your private. . (61.55 (E)(4)).

Found it. I stand corrected. Off to track down my old instructor; he owes me a beer for making me miss out on 20 hrs of PIC!!!

 

[minitour]

Found it. I stand corrected. Off to track down my old instructor; he owes me a beer for making me miss out on 20 hrs of PIC!!!

...of course this did change rather "recently" (relatively speaking). Perhaps you were under the "old rules"?

-mini

 

[twighead]

You do not log SIC while acting as safety pilot. SIC is only when you are flying a plane that either requires two pilots, or the companies operating specs call for two pilots.

Safety pilot is PIC.

nope. the original guy was correct. safety pilot is SIC time, unless both the person flying and the safety pilot agree that the safety pilot will act as PIC for the flight.

 

[SiuDude]

nope. the original guy was correct. safety pilot is SIC time, unless both the person flying and the safety pilot agree that the safety pilot will act as PIC for the flight.

That was a joke, right?

 

[midlifeflyer]

Like I said, It's been a very long time and I may well be wrong, but that's the way I remember it...FWIW

Depends how long. You may be remembering the pre-1997 version of the rule. It was changed in 1997 when, as part of an extensive rewrite of Part 61, 61.51 was amended to specifically allow a student to log solo as PIC time.

Here's what the rule says now:

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61.51(e)(4): A student pilot may log pilot-in-command time only when the student pilot -
(i) Is the sole occupant of the aircraft or is performing the duties of pilot of command of an airship requiring more than one pilot flight crewmember;
(ii) Has a current solo flight endorsement as required under § 61.87 of this part; and
(iii) Is undergoing training for a pilot certificate or rating.
==============================

 

[midlifeflyer]

That was a joke, right?

Which was a joke? Just to clarify, the rules and official FAA interpretation of 61.51 and 91.109 allow the safety pilot to log PIC =if= the safety pilot is also acting as the pilot in command and to log SIC if the safety pilot is not acting as the pilot in command.

Here's the FAA Legal Counsel opinion on the subject from 1993:

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...0/interpretations/data/interps/1993/Hicks.rtf

 

[Skyboy722]

Midlifeflyer and minitour,

Ahhh...That would explain it, as it was pre '97. You saved my old instructor from paying the bar tab! Who can keep up with these regs anyway? Guess I should check up on stuff before jumpin in...

 

[Metro752]

WHATS My Age AGAIN?

http://www.mp3.com/tracks/1916227/dl_streams.html

BLINK ME

 

[SiuDude]

Oh, ok, my bad. I've never seen that letter before, and by reading Pt. 61, I thought there was no way someone could log SIC in that way.

Which was a joke? Just to clarify, the rules and official FAA interpretation of 61.51 and 91.109 allow the safety pilot to log PIC =if= the safety pilot is also acting as the pilot in command and to log SIC if the safety pilot is not acting as the pilot in command.

Here's the FAA Legal Counsel opinion on the subject from 1993:

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/pol_adjudication/agc200/interpretations/data/interps/1993/Hicks.rtf

 

[pgcfii2002]

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