What is my flight time?

[midlifeflyer]

That was a joke, right?

Which was a joke? Just to clarify, the rules and official FAA interpretation of 61.51 and 91.109 allow the safety pilot to log PIC =if= the safety pilot is also acting as the pilot in command and to log SIC if the safety pilot is not acting as the pilot in command.

Here's the FAA Legal Counsel opinion on the subject from 1993:

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...0/interpretations/data/interps/1993/Hicks.rtf

 

[Skyboy722]

Midlifeflyer and minitour,

Ahhh...That would explain it, as it was pre '97. You saved my old instructor from paying the bar tab! Who can keep up with these regs anyway? Guess I should check up on stuff before jumpin in...

 

[Metro752]

WHATS My Age AGAIN?

http://www.mp3.com/tracks/1916227/dl_streams.html

BLINK ME

 

[SiuDude]

Oh, ok, my bad. I've never seen that letter before, and by reading Pt. 61, I thought there was no way someone could log SIC in that way.

Which was a joke? Just to clarify, the rules and official FAA interpretation of 61.51 and 91.109 allow the safety pilot to log PIC =if= the safety pilot is also acting as the pilot in command and to log SIC if the safety pilot is not acting as the pilot in command.

Here's the FAA Legal Counsel opinion on the subject from 1993:

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/pol_adjudication/agc200/interpretations/data/interps/1993/Hicks.rtf

 

[pgcfii2002]

25 Tt Pic

 

[twighead]

Oh, ok, my bad. I've never seen that letter before, and by reading Pt. 61, I thought there was no way someone could log SIC in that way.

yeah, not many people actually know this. mostly because who would ever actually log it as SIC time when everyone is doing it to log PIC and split the cost?

the problem is that you are both supposed to agree that the safety pilot is acting as PIC. the reason for this is that if something goes wrong, it is the safety pilot's ass on the line if he is the acting PIC. if you don't designate the safety pilot as PIC, then the guy under the hood is responsible for the flight, but the saftey pilot can still log SIC because he is a required crew member.

 

[siucavflight]

Which was a joke? Just to clarify, the rules and official FAA interpretation of 61.51 and 91.109 allow the safety pilot to log PIC =if= the safety pilot is also acting as the pilot in command and to log SIC if the safety pilot is not acting as the pilot in command.

Here's the FAA Legal Counsel opinion on the subject from 1993:

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/pol_adjudication/agc200/interpretations/data/interps/1993/Hicks.rtf

Wow never realized this before. But I would never do this, it would be a pain in the ass to explain on an interview. Thanks for the link, I had no idea.

 

[JimNtexas]

How many times does this safety pilot logging issue come up per week?

The correct answer is of course that in most cases the safety pilot may log SIC time. He or she can log PIC if he or she is the PIC as defined in FAR 1, which is not usually the case.

When a pilot in a single pilot airplane is flying under the hood then there is a second required crewmember. This second crewmember must have a current medical, at least a private pilot license, and be qualified in the class and catagory of the airplane. If the airplane requires a type rating the safety pilot must have the type rating for the airplane.

Since the second crewmember isn't the PIC (in most cases) he or she does not require any endorsements (high performance, high altitude, etc). Because the second crewmember is required under the FARs, then he or she may log SIC time.

 

[pgcfii2002]

I always thought the safety pilot logged PIC time?????

 

[nosehair]

I always thought the safety pilot logged PIC time?????

Only when he/she agrees to BE the PIC. Be resposible for the flight and meet all legal requirements to ACT and BE the PIC, then he/she can log PIC.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

How many times does this safety pilot logging issue come up per week?

The correct answer is of course that in most cases the safety pilot may log SIC time. He or she can log PIC if he or she is the PIC as defined in FAR 1, which is not usually the case.

When a pilot in a single pilot airplane is flying under the hood then there is a second required crewmember. This second crewmember must have a current medical, at least a private pilot license, and be qualified in the class and catagory of the airplane. If the airplane requires a type rating the safety pilot must have the type rating for the airplane.

Since the second crewmember isn't the PIC (in most cases) he or she does not require any endorsements (high performance, high altitude, etc). Because the second crewmember is required under the FARs, then he or she may log SIC time.

Type ratings are not required for SIC (YET) as long as it is a flight remaining in US airspace.
If I asked a friend that had a private multi land to be my safety pilot in a Citation 501 (assuming I didn't have the SIC required Limitation) he could do so as is. (becuase I have the SIC required limitation he would need to meet the 61.55 SIC training requiremens)