What is Learjet going to do?

[JJET44]

Also ditch the freon system and go to a real bleed air system.
ever see guys sitting in their 604's in the middle of the summer time and you can actually see the foggy COOL air coming out of the vents while our vents only put out a puff of warm air?

 

[ultrarunner]

Geez man, our freon is ice cold and we're regularly in the tropics. Now, we have the new style ducting, and i have heard of folks bitching about it getting hot up front with the old style ducts that were behind the seats.

 

[thatpilotguy]

Now this is all second hand info, but I was at Safety Stand Down this year and had lunch with a Bombardier test pilot. He specifically works on the Global line, but had a lot of info to share. I asked about the EICAS system on the 60 to complete the cockpit upgrade, and he said that it would require a total recertification on the aircraft as a result and as a result a lot of time and money. There was no real concern about it conflicting with the 300 (which I currently fly) but more of a cost issue than anything. EICAS requires a lot more addition computing power than I thought. Including new FADEC's and much more monitoring than is capable in the 60. He did mention that the Global would get a new cockpit and possibly go fly by wire at some point. The new cockpit is nearly approved (internally) but is still at least 3-5 years away. Things obviously move slow up in Montreal. Above and beyond anything else I hope that they get the strike thing figured out. We had our plane in an inspection during that whole deal out in ICT and it was a pain.

 

[LJ45]

are they still striking? Is it just ICT what about Dallas?

 

[Blackjet]

Doesn't the -40 mod for the Falcon 50 by Garrett put EICAS on board? I believe it does. That entire mod (if you do the whole thing) turns a straight 50 into a 50EX. That did not require a total recert. As a matter of fact, that entire Garrett mod is a SB!! EICAS can also be installed per an STC. Sounds like that guy you ate with needs to elaborate or go back and do his homework.

Now this is all second hand info, but I was at Safety Stand Down this year and had lunch with a Bombardier test pilot. He specifically works on the Global line, but had a lot of info to share. I asked about the EICAS system on the 60 to complete the cockpit upgrade, and he said that it would require a total recertification on the aircraft as a result and as a result a lot of time and money. There was no real concern about it conflicting with the 300 (which I currently fly) but more of a cost issue than anything. EICAS requires a lot more addition computing power than I thought. Including new FADEC's and much more monitoring than is capable in the 60. He did mention that the Global would get a new cockpit and possibly go fly by wire at some point. The new cockpit is nearly approved (internally) but is still at least 3-5 years away. Things obviously move slow up in Montreal. Above and beyond anything else I hope that they get the strike thing figured out. We had our plane in an inspection during that whole deal out in ICT and it was a pain.

 

[jonjuan]

From BBAs website:

"The Learjet 60 XR aircraft received FAA approval for its new avionics suite on September 28, 2006, and is on schedule to enter service in the first quarter of 2007."

 

[thatpilotguy]

I don't know a thing about how certification stuff works, but I had the same assumption that many of you guys did. It's nice to upgrade the avionics, so why not go all the way and go with an EICAS system. The answer that he gave was cost and certification. He seemed to know what he was talking about, but who knows.

 

[HMR]

Doesn't the -40 mod for the Falcon 50 by Garrett put EICAS on board? I believe it does. That entire mod (if you do the whole thing) turns a straight 50 into a 50EX. That did not require a total recert. As a matter of fact, that entire Garrett mod is a SB!!

You are correct.

 

[LJ45]

I'll answer my own question "what will Learjet do" with a big... NOTHING

 

[jonjuan]

I'll answer my own question "what will Learjet do" with a big... NOTHING

The LR 69 next year? Looks as though they are being a bit conservative right now. They did introduce the 300, Global, and 45 within 3 years in the late 90s-all clean sheet designs and BIG sellers as the best performers in each class.

 

[GVFlyer]

The LR 69 next year? Looks as though they are being a bit conservative right now. They did introduce the 300, Global, and 45 within 3 years in the late 90s-all clean sheet designs and BIG sellers as the best performers in each class.

Hmmmm. Of that list, none of them is the best performer in it's class. That is, of course if you're using speed, range, and altitude as your indicators of performance.

GV