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What if USAir merged with American(DOH west?)

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pilots who have been furloughed, recalled and furloughed yet
again. They are good people. Why not provide them a good
place now, instead of 10 years from now?
When economic blows occur in an industry, it is important to
quickly reduce capacity, constrain spending and preserve capital.
We did that after Sept. 11, albeit somewhat late. But since that
time, the stock market and the economy has fallen, risen, fallen,
and is rising rapidly again and despite solid advance bookings,
American Airlines seems to just keep getting smaller.
We have all heard that you cannot shrink an airline to
profitability. If you step back and look at American Airlines, that
is exactly what management is trying to do. They continue to
pare the weaker segments from our route map, but like whacka-
mole, each time we do that, more appear. Every time they pull
back, or outsource more of our f lying, they always have a good
story for the media, complete with rationalizations that, on the
surface, seem to make sense each time. But taken collectively,
they point to an enterprise that’s slowly failing. Contrast that
with Delta managements decision to continue to expand their
global reach, much of it at our expense, while carriers like
Southwest, Air Tran and Spirit do the same domestically. What
we need are new markets, new ways of serving our customers,
and new ideas on how to grow and strengthen American
Airlines and its employees.
Another classic mistake that AA management continues to
make is that they try to make their customers fit into the service
they provide, rather than provide the service their customers
want. No one wants to f ly on an RJ if they did, Southwest
would be operating them in massive numbers.
Why doesnt management try to match our service with the
needs of the customers living in our non-hub markets? Instead,
we try to route everyone through our hubs. Mid-size city after
mid-size city has become relegated to RJ-only service as we
attempt to mold our customers expectations to the system we
have designed. Southwest just comes into each one and picks up
where we fail, thus causing another round of whack-a-mole
realignments and more pain for our airlines employees and
customers.
Managements latest response after having neglected the
JFK/LGA/BOS market was to engage in a domestic interline
agreement with JetBlue. Adding insult to injury, the agreement
was immediately followed by a significant reduction in AA flying
at BOS and subsequent pilot displacements.
We can only hope that someday, a leader with a vision will
again come along to run American and turn it back into the
great airline it once was.
 
I am going to let the "lucid discussion" remark slide, although I believe that is not at all what you intend.
You stated your opinion as fact, I called you on it, and your reply was you can state whatever you like. You might as well change your handle to MCDU or St. Nic if you're not going to even try to carry on a rational discussion.
I see that you are all the way down to quoting very little, meaning you really have no rebuttal to any of my points.
Actually, after the first statement of your post I lost interest in reading several paragraphs. My lack of rebuttal only means I didn't think them worthy of a response.
You've boiled it down to "binding means binding"-which is where you guys always go with it.
Long-winded explanations are unneeded. The Ease/West dispute is simple. Entering binding arbitration entails the risk of hating the result. If one doesn't want that risk don't do it. The East hates the Nicolau Award. It doesn't matter how how passionately or eloquently they state their hatred. It's binding. Trying to cram down a different list that favors the East is a violation of USAPA's DFR. One trial proved that and if necessary another will reprove it. What else needs to be said?
I'll leave you with this, binding SHOULD mean binding unless it cannot pass an appeal of some sort.
That's a contradiction. It's either binding or it isn't. If it isn't you should call it conditional arbitration. That's not what took place and you can't change it ex post facto.
I think this arbitration would not pass an appeal.
I disagree but that's irrelevant.
I also think that your date of hire should mean something across the ALPA spectrum--or there should be a measure to objectively quantify an ALPA/ALPA merger pilot's standing in seniority.
Nicolau considered that. Don't forget his decision came after four weeks of hearings. And don't forget the two pilot neutrals agreed with substantially all of it.
Anything else leave this outcome as a possibility.
As it should be.
 
You stated your opinion as fact, I called you on it, and your reply was you can state whatever you like. You might as well change your handle to MCDU or St. Nic if you're not going to even try to carry on a rational discussion.Actually, after the first statement of your post I lost interest in reading several paragraphs. My lack of rebuttal only means I didn't think them worthy of a response.Long-winded explanations are unneeded. The Ease/West dispute is simple. Entering binding arbitration entails the risk of hating the result. If one doesn't want that risk don't do it. The East hates the Nicolau Award. It doesn't matter how how passionately or eloquently they state their hatred. It's binding. Trying to cram down a different list that favors the East is a violation of USAPA's DFR. One trial proved that and if necessary another will reprove it. What else needs to be said?That's a contradiction. It's either binding or it isn't. If it isn't you should call it conditional arbitration. That's not what took place and you can't change it ex post facto.I disagree but that's irrelevant.Nicolau considered that. Don't forget his decision came after four weeks of hearings. And don't forget the two pilot neutrals agreed with substantially all of it.As it should be.

You're arguing with a brick wall. They will never understand, as their greed, arrogance and irrationality gets in the way.
 
Says the "impartial AWA pilot"

You guys are still the laughing stock of the industry. Very sad, because I used to have quite a bit of respect for your pilot group. What a shame your airline has become. Maybe one day it will become the airline it once was...
 
You guys are still the laughing stock of the industry. Very sad, because I used to have quite a bit of respect for your pilot group. What a shame your airline has become. Maybe one day it will become the airline it once was...
It never crossed my mind that you might even want to have our respect, but I freely acknowledge that you are so graciously condescending to tell us how we might regain yours (I mean if your premise is correct that we want it).:laugh:
 
It never crossed my mind that you might even want to have our respect, but I freely acknowledge that you are so graciously condescending to tell us how we might regain yours (I mean if your premise is correct that we want it).:laugh:



You couldn't be more wrong, though I'm not surprised by your selfish response. I could care less how fools like you feel about me. Safe to say that my point flew way over your head.:p:laugh: Good luck with your pending failure. :beer:
 
You're catching on. Mark it down in a book, bro.:D


Ive caught on a while ago. Solidarity between pilots is all but gone. You guys got f!%#ed, but dont screw others because of it. You are owed nothing in this industry, but you all think that you are entitled to something that is just not logically sound when 2 airlines merge. Your argument is one of selfishness, arrogance and irrational. I'm sure this wont get through the thick, stubborn head of you all.
 

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