What if SWA was to Move from Dallas? Pt 1

[erj-145mech]

Don't you have a grease monkey board to go play on?:laugh:

Yes, but knowing that I can raise your blood pressure just makes my day. Do you see any sign that says that this is a pilots board?

 

[Dangerkitty]

Sir, you are the one who did not read the history of the WA. Southwest began operating in 1971, the WA restrictions did not take effect until 1979. SWA DID NOT KNOW (!!!) that the WA was in place. And AFTER de-regulation took effect, they did begin expanding outside of TX with NO WA RESTRICTIONS. It was AFTER(!!!) de-regulation, and AFTER(!!!) SWA began expanding outside of TX, that the WA was passed into law.

Please re-read your history and look at a calendar before you make such grand and false pronouncements.

It is you sir who does not have a clue as to what you are talking about. SWA could have packed up and moved to DFW like all the other airlines were required to do. SWA was not interested in moving to DFW since they were only an intrastate airline back then. Plus if SWA had moved to DFW they would have had to help fund all the bonds the other airlines were having to help shoulder. They had no interest in this.

If not for the Wright Amendment SWA would not have not been able to fly out of DAL at all since it would have been closed to all commercial traffic.
The Wright Amendment was the only way that SWA would and still is able to fly out of DAL.

SWA could have come to DFW and compete head on with everyone else but Herb pitched a hissy fit and was able to negotiate the Wright Amendment.
Now that SWA has become much bigger they want all the rules changeed.

 

[sf260pilot]

The Wright Amendment applied to the Cities of Dallas AND Ft. Worth. The restrictions were not for All commercial traffic. That Crap about "all commercial traffic" was started recently by Congressional reps from Dallas.

 

[scoreboard]

Not true again, sir...

If not for the Wright Amendment SWA would not have not been able to fly out of DAL at all since it would have been closed to all commercial traffic.
The Wright Amendment was the only way that SWA would and still is able to fly out of DAL.

SWA could have come to DFW and compete head on with everyone else but Herb pitched a hissy fit and was able to negotiate the Wright Amendment.
Now that SWA has become much bigger they want all the rules changeed.

Absolutely untrue, SWA prevailed on each and every lawsuit brought by AA and DFW supporters which attempted to close LUV or hamper WN. The WA was the only way politicians and AA could saddle SWA with restrictions to service, it is a federal law, not a local law. It had little impact in the early years, it's time has come and gone, and it will be repealed. Just like Prohibition

Please research your facts.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Absolutely untrue, SWA prevailed on each and every lawsuit brought by AA and DFW supporters which attempted to close LUV or hamper WN. The WA was the only way politicians and AA could saddle SWA with restrictions to service, it is a federal law, not a local law. It had little impact in the early years, it's time has come and gone, and it will be repealed. Just like Prohibition

Please research your facts.

OK, lets see some references to these lawsuits. I would love to see them.

 

[OffHot]

Dangerkitty, look under supreme court decisions and SWA. In 1971 ish they ruled that SWA could fly, Love field was choosen as the HQ. After the airlines were deregulated, they also ruled that states could not limit airlines and there destinations as long as the field was open to commercial traffic, DFW and other airlines fearing SWA or any other airline could now go interstate were unable to receive help from local officials, they recruited Mr Wright to draft federal legislation to help prevent Love Field from becoming another MDW, and draw traffic from DFW back to DAL. SWA being the largest and maybe only airline serving DAL at that time was of course the primary target of the new law. I can't give you case numbers but do a search and they are indeed there.

 

[scoreboard]

Here ya go buddy.

OK, lets see some references to these lawsuits. I would love to see them.

http://www.thewrightamendment.net/timeline.html

 

[flyinglow]

http://www.thewrightamendment.net/timeline.html

That website isn't biased or anything.

 

[scoreboard]

Or here:

That website isn't biased or anything.

Or here, taken from the Boyd report, an unbiased analysis NOT funded by SWA.

Year Event​

1917​

• Army begins operations at Love Field
1928 • Love Field acquired by City of Dallas
1968 • Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport bond agreement
reached; all operating airlines agree to move operations to
DFW when new airport opens
1971 • Southwest Airlines begins intrastate operations within Texas
1972 • Dallas/Fort Worth Regional Airport Board, Fort Worth and
Dallas sue Southwest over decision to remain at Love Field
1974 • DFW opens
1979 • Southwest Airlines begins interstate flights from Love Field
with service to New Orleans
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•​

Wright Amendment passed (see text below)
1989 • Dallas City Council passes resolution requesting U.S.
Congress to repeal Wright Amendment and replace with 650-
mile perimeter rule
​

•​

Fort Worth City Council passes own resolution opposing
repeal or modification of Wright Amendment
1990 • Dallas City Council passes new resolution in support of
Wright Amendment
1997 • Shelby Amendment approved in U.S. Congress (see text
below)
​

•​

American Airlines and City of Fort Worth sue Legend Airlines,
City of Dallas, and Continental to stop new service
​

•​

Texas state court grants motion to AA and Fort Worth stating
that Dallas was obligated to abide by initial bond ordinance
and bar service authorized by Shelby Amendment
​

•​

City of Dallas sues U.S. DOT and Fort Worth to authorize
services under Shelby Amendment
1998 • U.S. District Court in Fort Worth rules in favor of AA and Fort
Worth
​

•​

Legend appeals U.S. District Court ruling​

•​

U.S. DOT rules that Dallas cannot prevent airlines from
operating service authorized under Shelby Amendment
​

•​

AA and Fort Worth sue U.S. DOT in federal appeals court
2000 • 5th Circuit Court of Appeals rules in favor of U.S. DOT
and upholds Shelby Amendment
​

•​

Fort Worth, AA and DFW appeal to U.S. Supreme Court;
petition subsequently denied
​

•​

Legend begins service to points outside Shelby
Amendment with DC-9 aircraft configured for 56-seats
​

•​

AA begins long-haul service from Love Field with Fokker
100 jets reconfigured for 56-seats
​

•​

Legend ceases operations; subsequently files for
bankruptcy
2001 • AA ceases operations at Love Field
2005 • Southwest initiates activities to repeal Wright Amendment
​

 

[scoreboard]

Because

If you go to this website

http://www.keepdfwstrong.com/

You will find NO timeline of events, just rhetoric.

Goodnight one and all.