What if socialists designed airplanes...

[Rez O. Lewshun]

It sad and shocking to be reminded of how many people out there have a slave mentality and continue to live under relative disparity throughout the entire population....

 

[Wanderlust]

It's sad and shocking to be reminded of how many socialists there are out there who don't believe they can provide for themselves and are demanding handouts from the successful!

BBB

There's a lot more "successful" people looking for handouts in this climate. But keep drinking the Kool-Aid, BBB. You think more like a communist than the socialists do! Instead of working for the glory of the state, you're toiling away for the glory of the market! (Or maybe Rush Limbaugh, I'm not sure which.)

 

[En Mort Main]

I'm glad you find it humourous that some of us do not envy or lust after what others have or achieved. I don't wish anyone ill will about their success and believe every dollar we can keep from the government is a success.

Self reliance has left this country when we believe the government is here to take from the rich and give to the undeserving. I grew up amongst men who took pride in what the had and what they achieved and would not take a hand out even if forced. They never complained about not having stuff and never complained that the rich were rich and how unfair it was or is. But i guess that is getting bred out of the newer generations. All day long i hear about how poorly everyone is paid and yet it appears for the most part men have given up on being men and instead demand government take care of them and punish anyone who attains more than them. And most of all punish those evil rich people. And like i said i make 35k a year....would i like to make more heck yeah do i feel entitled to any of your money since you make more than i?...Of Course not. But Obama would probably think it would be fair. So fork it over, that is change we can believe in

C'est La Vie

En Mort Main

 

[En Mort Main]

"There's a lot more "successful" people looking for handouts in this climate. But keep drinking the Kool-Aid, BBB. You think more like a communist than the socialists do! Instead of working for the glory of the state, you're toiling away for the glory of the market! (Or maybe Rush Limbaugh, I'm not sure which.)"
- Wanderlust


Lol your arguements make little sense....Jumping from wanting to punish success to accusing people of being socialists without knowing what socialism or communism truly is.
I agree with the point BBB made. Stop demanding government do what you can't do for yourself, educate yourself, get ride of your class envy and enjoy life, life to short to worry about what everyone else has.

En Mort Main

 

[pilotyip]

How about the fact that 44,000 people,.05%, of the New York City population pay 50% of the New York City Income Taxes? The city is conconcerned if taxes are rasied on these individuals they may leave the city 10,000 leaving would bankrupt the city. What is fair?

 

[Cobra]

The difference between Obama and Osama is a little "bs".

Wow, I hope you did not strain your noodle with that one.

 

[Wanderlust]

Cobra, I've been reading your posts. Thank you for being one of the few smart ones on these boards.

 

[JustaNumber]

How about the fact that 44,000 people,.05%, of the New York City population pay 50% of the New York City Income Taxes? The city is conconcerned if taxes are rasied on these individuals they may leave the city 10,000 leaving would bankrupt the city. What is fair?

Reminds me of a great quote from Margaret Thatcher: "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."

 

[Wanderlust]

Reminds me of a great quote from Margaret Thatcher: "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."

"Communism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life is social, and the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism but in a higher synthesis."

-MLK

"Advocates of capitalism are very apt to appeal to the sacred principles of liberty, which are embodied in one maxim: The fortunate must not be restrained in the exercise of tyranny over the unfortunate."

-Bertrand Russell

 

[JustaNumber]

"Advocates of capitalism are very apt to appeal to the sacred principles of liberty, which are embodied in one maxim: The fortunate must not be restrained in the exercise of tyranny over the unfortunate."

-Bertrand Russell

You sound like you are afraid of "the man" keeping you down. The beauty of real free market capitalism, is that if "the man" is being tyrannical, then you can become "the man" yourself by offering a less tyrannical company to employ people. The trick is in maintaining a government whose sole purpose is making sure we all play by the same rules, without favoring one "man" over another. That's libertarianism.

 

[Wanderlust]

You sound like you are afraid of "the man" keeping you down. The beauty of real free market capitalism, is that if "the man" is being tyrannical, then you can become "the man" yourself by offering a less tyrannical company to employ people. The trick is in maintaining a government whose sole purpose is making sure we all play by the same rules, without favoring one "man" over another. That's libertarianism.

It's hard to compete when the government gives corporate welfare and disproportionate tax breaks to the big boys. "Real" free market capitalism doesn't exist anywhere.

 

[pilotyip]

Trickel up instead of down

Reminds me of a great quote from Margaret Thatcher: "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."

Instead of trickle down prosperity we now have trickle up poverty. The new way to make us all equal.

 

[clippyrip]

Trickle down prosperity is a red herring.

 

[Tristar]

You sound like you are afraid of "the man" keeping you down. The beauty of real free market capitalism, is that if "the man" is being tyrannical, then you can become "the man" yourself by offering a less tyrannical company to employ people. The trick is in maintaining a government whose sole purpose is making sure we all play by the same rules, without favoring one "man" over another. That's libertarianism.

This I pretty much agree with - EXCEPT: The problem being LYING Republicans claim to love the free market - but the RLA holds us hostage, unable to withdraw our services until Big Brother sees fit. What a complete load of crap, and they have done nothing about it. LYING Democrats claim to love the working man, but Bill "Larda$$" Clinton denied the American pilots the right to withdraw their services seeking better terms and conditions. Get rid of the hypocrisy, set us all free, and then let's see how things play out. Red or Blue, they are pretty much all self serving PIGS who should be thrown out, but it will never happen and this country will fall due to the LYING super-elitist trash that we send back year after year to fleece us all!

Rant over.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Tristar-

Clinton did what the APA wanted... your understanding of it is common but untrue....

 

[JustaNumber]

It's hard to compete when the government gives corporate welfare and disproportionate tax breaks to the big boys. "Real" free market capitalism doesn't exist anywhere.

So can we agree that the government shouldn't be in the business of providing welfare, either to businesses or individuals? Flat taxes, no special treatment for anyone? May the best man/company win?

If we all worked together to hold our government to such a standard, much of our problems would be solved. I'm glad to see you actually believe in free market capitalism.

 

[pilotyip]

Trickle down prosperity is a red herring.

how about trickle up poverty? what would that be?

 

[JustaNumber]

A socialist airliner would be limited to carry only 19 pax; the capacity of the smallest types. It would be unfair to allow the 777's, etc. to carry more as they would then be unfairly selling more tickets than the 19 seaters, who can't help it that they're small.

Soon all the bigger aircraft would be out of business, which would be their own fault they are so big that they are unable to stay in business with 19 paying pax per leg. They were so big and greedy anyway, the masses are better off without them, both morally and financially.

But then, with all those big planes gone, there are so few seats left that the prices shoot through the roof (supply and demand). Now nobody can afford to fly and all the 19 seaters fall into the dustbin of history as well.

The good news, of course, is that horse drawn wagons only run on hay, so Global Warming is no longer a fear.

7 pages and you're the first to finally expand on the original metaphor. Thank you! Can anyone else come up with more examples of what would happen if socialists applied their 'logic' to a profession that has no room for feelings and good intentions?

 

[JustaNumber]

Okay, I've got one. All stalls would be made illegal. I know, stalls don't kill people, pilots kill people, but since stalls are dangerous, we'll just outlaw them. It doesn't matter that some pilots will stall regardless of the law, at least we're doing something to protect passengers!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

So can we agree that the government shouldn't be in the business of providing welfare, either to businesses or individuals? Flat taxes, no special treatment for anyone? May the best man/company win?

And what of the losers? Keep in mind those losers are Americans.

If we all worked together to hold our government to such a standard, much of our problems would be solved.

If we all worked together we wouldn't be thinking about the best man and company winning.

I'm glad to see you actually believe in free market capitalism.

I am not sure you do.....

Our current "free market" system provides more wants over needs and leaves too many Americans in need with nothing....