What if socialists designed airplanes...

[Axel]

A socialist airliner would be limited to carry only 19 pax; the capacity of the smallest types. It would be unfair to allow the 777's, etc. to carry more as they would then be unfairly selling more tickets than the 19 seaters, who can't help it that they're small.

Soon all the bigger aircraft would be out of business, which would be their own fault they are so big that they are unable to stay in business with 19 paying pax per leg. They were so big and greedy anyway, the masses are better off without them, both morally and financially.

But then, with all those big planes gone, there are so few seats left that the prices shoot through the roof (supply and demand). Now nobody can afford to fly and all the 19 seaters fall into the dustbin of history as well.

The good news, of course, is that horse drawn wagons only run on hay, so Global Warming is no longer a fear.

 

[Wanderlust]

The only thing that got us out of the great depression was WWII.

Oh, you mean the giant influx of government cash? You mean the liberal government acquisition of all kinds of pork, like tanks and planes and boats and stuff?

 

[Cobra]

Oh, you mean the giant influx of government cash? You mean the liberal government acquisition of all kinds of pork, like tanks and planes and boats and stuff?

It amazes me the amount of revisionism going on as of late.

On second thought, no not really.

 

[Wanderlust]

It amazes me the amount of revisionism going on as of late.

On second thought, no not really.

Uh, revisionism? The recovery from the great depression occurred under the watch of democrats, no matter how you look at it. Sounds like you're doing the revisioning. Ironic coming from a government employee.

 

[Cobra]

Uh, revisionism? The recovery from the great depression occurred under the watch of democrats, no matter how you look at it. Sounds like you're doing the revisioning. Ironic coming from a government employee.

Yes, I agree with you.

The revisionist epithet applies to the one's on this thread who have their head buried in the sand.

They know who they are.

 

[Wanderlust]

Sorry, I misunderstood you.

 

[En Mort Main]

When has fairness ever been incorporated into how the world should run. Am I the only one who grew up with parents who told me "life was unfair" when I would start complaining how some things were unfair.

This whole notion that some democrats and liberals have about fairness, (fairness in taxes, fairness in income...i.e. it is fair that those who make more pay more) is not fairness, yet it is greed and envy. Looking over the fence at your neighbors house and coveting it , and saying to yourself its not "fair" he has a bigger house, is not fairness. Thinking that just because someone is successful that the government should force them to surrender more money is not fair. This whole notion of being fair is nothing more than class warfare and the have nots desire to punish those that have. Envy is a powerful force alive in our country.
Maybe we should actually switch to a fair system and allow those who make the money keep the money. And as we all know the government must be funded so lets adopt a flat tax that would be fair....

On another tangent we all know Bush handed Obama a deficiet as he frequiently tells us, and then Obama spends another 800+ billion...and then the very next week talks about another 500+ billion for mortage and another 500+ for failing banks. Then has the audacity to call a summit on fiscal responsibility.....Is this guy for real a summit on fiscal responsibility when your way to handle a deficiet is to double it in two months... hell Obama's treasury guy didn't give a ******************** enough to stay awake during the summit. And how many of Obama's cabinet picks didn't feel taxes apply to them even though i'm sure their members of the evil rich.

I'm sure this post will be belittled and i will be insulted but i still very much believe that the term fairness is being used in place of greed and envy....

En Mort Main

 

[Wanderlust]

When has fairness ever been incorporated into how the world should run. Am I the only one who grew up with parents who told me "life was unfair" when I would start complaining how some things were unfair.

This whole notion that some democrats and liberals have about fairness, (fairness in taxes, fairness in income...i.e. it is fair that those who make more pay more) is not fairness, yet it is greed and envy. Looking over the fence at your neighbors house and coveting it , and saying to yourself its not "fair" he has a bigger house, is not fairness. Thinking that just because someone is successful that the government should force them to surrender more money is not fair. This whole notion of being fair is nothing more than class warfare and the have nots desire to punish those that have. Envy is a powerful force alive in our country.
Maybe we should actually switch to a fair system and allow those who make the money keep the money. And as we all know the government must be funded so lets adopt a flat tax that would be fair....

On another tangent we all know Bush handed Obama a deficiet as he frequiently tells us, and then Obama spends another 800+ billion...and then the very next week talks about another 500+ billion for mortage and another 500+ for failing banks. Then has the audacity to call a summit on fiscal responsibility.....Is this guy for real a summit on fiscal responsibility when your way to handle a deficiet is to double it in two months... hell Obama's treasury guy didn't give a ******************** enough to stay awake during the summit. And how many of Obama's cabinet picks didn't feel taxes apply to them even though i'm sure their members of the evil rich.

I'm sure this post will be belittled and i will be insulted but i still very much believe that the term fairness is being used in place of greed and envy....

En Mort Main

The tax structure favors the wealthy few who earn most of their worth from capital gains. Meanwhile, a middle class airline pilot making $150,000 a year pays nearly a third of his money to the government. So you think wage earners should pay a higher percentage of their annual income than executives who get massive stock options and rich brats whose daddies leave them a trust fund? Not only is that not "fair", it's bad economic policy. (See: "The Great Depression")

 

[En Mort Main]

your whole premise is incorrect a simple search on google will show that the rich do pay a higher percentage of taxes. But its yours to decide.....
Just a few links from a simple search on google "who pays taxes"
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6

http://www.american.com/archive/200...zine-contents/guess-who-really-pays-the-taxes
(once again these a just a few results from a google search, backgrounds have not been sourced)
Would we like to continue about how the middle class pays more than the rich....This a tired arguement of the left that is basically repackaged class envy. Penalize those evil rich people it is not "fair" they are more successful than me.


En Mort Main

 

[Wanderlust]

Dig a little.

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

The top 1% own a third of the wealth. Obviously they're going to pay a higher dollar amount of taxes, but as an income percentage, it's disproportionate. Also, the top 5% are not all "rich". Most of them are upper middle class individuals, like lawyers, doctors, and pilots, earning less than $1 million/year. It's the top .5% (those that hold a vast portion of the wealth) that enjoys the tax bias.

 

[En Mort Main]

So although the "rich" pay a substantial amount more money than the rest of the population as you admit you want the government to forcibly take more from them. In the interest of fairness i would imagine. But once again this is envy, bold faced and unflinching.
So in your view do you deserve to take more from the "rich." Or is it like Biden alludes to is it their patriotic duty to give more of "their" money to the governemnt for wealth redistribution.
Do the have nots deserve the haves money.
And if so what have they done to deserve it...I know not all rich people deserve their money but a vast majority do like you have said (doctors, lawyers , et. al) do deserve their money and it would be "fair" if they got to keep what they earned.

But thats not what they call fairness in Scranton is it Mr. Biden.....Wealth redistribution is what they call fairness in scranton....

But were focusing on taxes has devviated from what my original post was about... The Obama administration so far and its flawed classs envy politics.
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It
can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote
themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on,
the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most
benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy
always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by
dictatorship."
from "The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic",
by Alexander Fraser Tyler

 

[Bluejob]

The difference between Obama and Osama is a little "bs".

 

[Wanderlust]

So although the "rich" pay a substantial amount more money than the rest of the population as you admit you want the government to forcibly take more from them. In the interest of fairness i would imagine. But once again this is envy, bold faced and unflinching.
So in your view do you deserve to take more from the "rich." Or is it like Biden alludes to is it their patriotic duty to give more of "their" money to the governemnt for wealth redistribution.
Do the have nots deserve the haves money.
And if so what have they done to deserve it...I know not all rich people deserve their money but a vast majority do like you have said (doctors, lawyers , et. al) do deserve their money and it would be "fair" if they got to keep what they earned.

But thats not what they call fairness in Scranton is it Mr. Biden.....Wealth redistribution is what they call fairness in scranton....

But were focusing on taxes has devviated from what my original post was about... The Obama administration so far and its flawed classs envy politics.
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It
can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote
themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on,
the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most
benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy
always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by
dictatorship."
from "The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic",
by Alexander Fraser Tyler

Doctors, lawyers, and pilots do not fall into my definition of "rich". The government has to get its money from somewhere, and yes, I would prefer they "steal" a little less from me and a little more from Warren Buffett.

 

[Wanderlust]

The difference between Obama and Osama is a little "bs".

Do you have an opinion in this debate or just a smart-ass comment?

 

[En Mort Main]

Well at least your willing to admit that success should be punished.
I personally believe a flat tax will be the way to go as an alternative to the current progressive loop hole riden system. That way we will all be equal before the government.
And no more tax rebates for those who don't pay taxes.
En Mort Main

 

[Wanderlust]

Well at least your willing to admit that success should be punished.
I personally believe a flat tax will be the way to go as an alternative to the current progressive loop hole riden system. That way we will all be equal before the government.
And no more tax rebates for those who don't pay taxes.
En Mort Main

What are you talking about? How is charging a fair rate on capital gains as a primary source of income "punishing" anybody? Why should I be punished for "only" earning $100,000 a year?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Well at least your willing to admit that success should be punished.
I personally believe a flat tax will be the way to go as an alternative to the current progressive loop hole riden system. That way we will all be equal before the government.
And no more tax rebates for those who don't pay taxes.
En Mort Main

The system is so slighted to the rich now, and they've got you defending them....

It isn't punishing success.... it is.... what is that corporate word..... rightsizing......

 

[En Mort Main]

call it what it is....ENVY...GREED...RANCOR
You feel slighted and want others punished for achieveing at a greater extent than yourself.
And in order to "rightsize" you would rather others get punished than the burden lifted off us all is very telling how you hate and the "evil rich." Even under the democrat beloved clinton captial gains tax was reduced and the economy was booming. Everytime you raise taxes you have to realize there is the law of unintented results. When all the wealth has been redistributed who will provide the jobs....who will provide capital when were all equal...the government?
But i will continue love living making my 35k hoping to keep it all and affording what i can and i hope you get to keep all you 100k and afford everything you can. I don't want you to pay more money than me since you make more because i understand that is your money you made with your work. Yet i also understand the millionaires money is his own as well.
I guess i am content with having what i have and don't look upon my neighbors with greed and envy.

En Mort Main

 

[Wanderlust]

The system is so slighted to the rich now, and they've got you defending them....

It isn't punishing success.... it is.... what is that corporate word..... rightsizing......

call it what it is....ENVY...GREED...RANCOR
You feel slighted and want others punished for achieveing at a greater extent than yourself.
And in order to "rightsize" you would rather others get punished than the burden lifted off us all is very telling how you hate and the "evil rich." Even under the democrat beloved clinton captial gains tax was reduced and the economy was booming. Everytime you raise taxes you have to realize there is the law of unintented results. When all the wealth has been redistributed who will provide the jobs....who will provide capital when were all equal...the government?
But i will continue love living making my 35k hoping to keep it all and affording what i can and i hope you get to keep all you 100k and afford everything you can. I don't want you to pay more money than me since you make more because i understand that is your money you made with your work. Yet i also understand the millionaires money is his own as well.
I guess i am content with having what i have and don't look upon my neighbors with greed and envy.

En Mort Main

Your last post had me chuckling, Mort. I suggest you read "What's the Matter With Kansas?" by Thomas Friedman.

 

[Big Beer Belly]

It's sad and shocking to be reminded of how many socialists there are out there who don't believe they can provide for themselves and are demanding handouts from the successful!

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