What has ALPA done for me lately?

[Andy]

Article II pt 2

D. INACTIVE MEMBER

(1) Any member in good standing, including an Apprentice member, shall become an Inactive member automatically when:

(a) he is placed on involuntary furlough.

(b) he takes a personal (including family medical) or military leave of absence in excess of ninety (90) days.

(c) he is disabled and no longer qualified to remain an Active member under Section 3A(5) of this Article.

(d) his employment is severed and the Vice President-Administration/Secretary is so notified of this fact. This paragraph shall not apply to any member who is placed on involuntary furlough, leave of absence or whose employment is severed by reason of temporary cessation of his airline's flight operations resulting from a work stoppage.

(2) Any Active member whose financial obligations are current and who has been on thirty (30) continuous days of sick or medical leave may, by notification to the Vice President-Administration/Secretary, elect to become an Inactive member.

(3) Obligations for dues and assessments owed to the Association by an Inactive member, with the exception of a member taking a voluntary leave of absence, shall be considered deferred and restored to the member's account for collection upon eligibility for Active membership and become due in accordance with ALPA policy. An Inactive member who changes classification to Retired, or the estate of a deceased member shall not be liable for such deferred dues.

(4) An Inactive member shall not be able to vote, hold or assume elective or appointive office including committee assignment, provided however that a member who becomes Inactive in accordance with Section 3D(2) above shall be entitled to hold or assume the office of President.

E. RETIRED MEMBER

A Retired member is a member who retires as an airline pilot at normal retirement age under the terms of his working agreement or who elects early voluntary retirement under the terms of his Company retirement plan, or who elects early retirement under his Company retirement plan for medical reasons, or who has been removed from the Pilots' Seniority List as a result of involuntary early or normal age retirement and who is a member in good standing at such time.

Such member shall not have the right to vote or to serve in elective or appointive office, except as President of the Association in accordance with Article X or as First Vice President, Vice President-Administration/Secretary or Vice President-Finance/Treasurer in accordance with Articles XI, XII, and XIII, provided, however, he shall be entitled to retain those insurance benefits in which he was enrolled at the time of retirement if coverage is available under the insurance program between the Association and the underwriter.

F. HONORARY MEMBER

An Honorary member is any person who, by a three-fourths (3/4) majority vote of the Board of Directors, has been granted Honorary membership in the Association. There shall not be more than three (3) such Honorary memberships granted in any one (1) year, and posthumous awards may be made. Such memberships may be rescinded in the same manner as they are granted, by a three-fourths (3/4) majority vote of the Board of Directors.

G. REACTIVATED MEMBER

(1) Any member who has the status of Active member at the time he is terminated from employment by virtue of the dissolution or bankruptcy of his airline, or if furloughed, or resigned, shall, upon being employed by another airline whose pilots are represented by ALPA, adopt the status of Reactivated member during the probationary period required by the new employer airline. Such member will not be required to assume any financial obligations until becoming eligible for Active membership.

(2) Such member shall be entitled to all the rights and privileges of ALPA except that he shall not be entitled to vote or assume elective office. A Reactivated member may be appointed to a LEC Committee.



(3) Upon completion of the probationary period, and if application is made, the member will be eligible to be reclassified as an Active member in accordance with Article II of the Constitution and By‑Laws. Upon eligibility for Active membership, any unpaid obligation for dues and assessments, incurred during a period of prior membership, shall be restored to the member's account and due in accordance with Association policy.

SECTION 4 ‑ APPLICATIONS AND APPROVALS OF APPRENTICE AND ACTIVE MEMBERS

A. All applications for membership shall be on a standard form provided for that purpose by the Vice President-Administration/Secretary. Each applicant, by becoming a member of the Association, agrees and subscribes, without reservation, to all the provisions, conditions and stipulations in the Constitution and By‑Laws currently in effect or as they may be added to, repealed or amended from time to time as specified in the Constitution and By‑Laws. The making of willful misstatements or the entering of untrue or misleading information or the withholding of essential or pertinent information on an application for membership in ALPA shall be cause for rejection, disciplinary action, or expulsion.

B. Each applicant for Apprentice or Active membership shall be thoroughly investigated by the Local Council having jurisdiction with the aid and advice of the Vice President-Administration/Secretary, irrespective of the fact that the applicant may have previously held membership on another airline. A Reactivated member under Article II, Section 3G of the Constitution and By-Laws shall be subject to this requirement in connection with his transfer to Active membership. The investigation of an applicant shall be completed within sixty (60) days, unless the Vice President-Administration/Secretary certifies that there are extenuating circumstances requiring a delay.

C. Application for Apprentice or Active membership shall be subject to approval in the following manner.

(1) Active: By the Local Executive Council having jurisdiction and the Vice President-Administration/Secretary, provided that, except as to an application subject to an extended investigation under Paragraph B above or to Paragraphs D or E below:

(a) the Local Executive Council shall act on approval or disapproval of Active membership no later than sixty (60) days after eligibility for Active membership or within ninety (90) days of the date of an application filed at a later time, unless the application is subject to approval under subparagraphs C(1)(b) or C(1)(c) below.

(b) the Local Executive Council may submit approval of Active membership to a convened meeting of the Local Council held within the time periods set forth in subparagraph C(1)(a) above.

(c) the Local Executive Council will submit approval of Active membership to the next regular convened meeting of the Local Council if a request for such action as to a named applicant is made by a member of the Local Council.

(d) Where the Local Executive Council does not act in a timely manner or there is no established Local Council, the application shall be subject to approval by the Vice President-Administration/
Secretary.

 

[Andy]

Article II pt 3

(2) Apprentice: By the Local Council Chairman having jurisdiction or his approved designee (another Local Council Officer or a Membership Committee member), as well as the Vice President-Administration/Secretary.

In both instances, however, if the investigation required by Paragraph B above or other information reveals that the application is subject to the provisions of Paragraphs D or E, below, the application shall be approved in accordance with those paragraphs, provided, however, that nothing in those Paragraphs D or E shall be construed as giving any mandatory right to any applicant.

D. If the required investigation of an applicant or other information reveals that an applicant for Apprentice or Active membership has never previously been an Apprentice or Active member of ALPA on his airline or another airline but has allegedly engaged in any of the actions specified in Article VIII, Section 1A, the applicant shall not be accepted for membership until approved by the Local Council and Master Executive Council having jurisdiction, the Vice President-Administration/Secretary, and the Appeal Board, subject to such conditions or fines as the Appeal Board may fix. An Apprentice member who was approved for Apprentice membership under this paragraph and who satisfied any conditions or fines imposed by the Appeal Board shall not be required to undergo MEC and Appeal Board approval in connection with his transfer to Active membership.

E. If the required investigation or other information reveals that an applicant for Apprentice or Active membership is a former member who is subject to any of the following Subparagraphs, this application shall be subject to the approvals required by the following Subparagraph or Subparagraphs as applicable:

(1) Any former member who has been charged and found guilty of any actions under the provisions of Article VIII, Section 1A, resulting in expulsion from ALPA, shall not be accepted for membership until approved by the Local Council and Master Executive Council having jurisdiction, the Vice President-Administration/Secretary and by action of the Executive Board, at a meeting, subject to such conditions or fines as the Executive Board may fix.

(2) Any former member who has allegedly engaged in any of the actions specified, in Article VIII, Section 1A, shall not be accepted for membership until approved by the Local Council and Master Executive Council having jurisdiction, the Vice President-Administration/Secretary and the Appeal Board, subject to such conditions or fines as the Appeal Board may fix.

(3) Any former member who has been expelled for nonpayment of dues, assessments, fines, penalties or financial obligations to ALPA, resulting in expulsion from ALPA, shall not be accepted for membership until approved by the Master Executive Council having jurisdiction and the Vice President-Administration/Secretary.

(4) Any former member who voluntarily resigned while continuing actively in his profession, shall not be accepted for membership until approved by the Master Executive Council having jurisdiction and the Vice President-Administration/Secretary.

(5) Any former member who has been approved for membership in accordance with the provisions of this Paragraph E of this Section shall become a member in good standing upon payment of all of his outstanding indebtedness to ALPA as of the time his former membership ceased; in addition, he shall be required to pay an amount equal to the sum total of all dues and assessments he would have paid as an Active member in good standing, from the time of termination of his former membership until the time of his membership reinstatement, and also a reinstatement fee equal to the initiation fee specified in Article IX, Section 2C; however, this reinstatement fee may be waived by action of his Master Executive Council.

(6) An Apprentice member who was approved for Apprentice membership under this Paragraph E and who has satisfied any condition or fines imposed shall not be required to undergo MEC, Appeal Board, or Executive Board approval in connection with his transfer to Active membership.

F. Whenever under Paragraphs B, C, D or E of this Section 4 action by a Local Council or Master Executive Council is specified, and none is yet established, the specified action shall be taken by the other persons as required in those Paragraphs.

G. An applicant for Active membership shall have completed his company's required probationary period and be eligible for representation by ALPA in accordance with his employment agreement before action on his application for such membership can become final, and the day following completion of such probationary period shall be the date of the applicant's Active membership, subject to approval of his application in accordance with this Section.

(1) Where an airline has no established probationary period, an applicant is eligible for consideration for Active membership upon date of hire, but shall not be subject to Section 4I until the first day of the month following the expiration of nine months after date of hire.

H. The Vice President-Administration/Secretary shall immediately notify an applicant for Apprentice or Active membership and his Local Council of his acceptance or rejection.

I. Any pilot failing to apply for membership upon becoming eligible for such membership shall be deemed to have accepted the benefits of ALPA without assuming any of the obligations thereof, and as a prerequisite to his being accepted as an Active member, he shall be required to pay, in addition to the regular initiation fee, all of the annual dues, levies and assessments which would have accrued had he been an Active member of ALPA when he first became eligible for membership. A pilot shall be deemed eligible for membership as provided above, or upon the day ALPA is certified as a bargaining representative by the National Mediation Board, or is so recognized by the company.

J. An Apprentice member failing to receive the necessary approval for transfer to Active status shall be automatically terminated as a member. A terminated Apprentice member or disapproved applicant for Active membership may reapply for Active membership at any time following the completion of a six month period after the denial of the most recent request for membership at a Local Council meeting. In the event the reapplication for Active membership is subsequently approved, the applicant's eligibility date will be the date of approval for membership or the end of the six month period from the date of request for transfer or application for Active membership was last denied, whichever comes first.

SECTION 5 ‑ TRANSFER OF INACTIVE MEMBERS TO ACTIVE MEMBERSHIP

A. An Active member who transferred to Inactive membership is immediately eligible for Active membership upon return to line pilot status with his carrier. He shall apply in writing to the Vice President-Administration/Secretary for transfer to Active membership within ninety (90) days after the date the condition or conditions causing his Inactive status are removed. Dues, assessments, and penalties shall begin to accrue as of the date of eligibility for transfer to Active membership.

B. When application for transfer from Inactive membership to Active membership is not made within ninety (90) days from the date of eligibility therefore, the privilege of transfer without payment of another initiation fee shall expire, and his membership in the Association shall be automatically terminated. To regain membership status, he shall be bound by the provisions of Sections 4 and 5 of this Article.

SECTION 6 ‑ TRANSFER OF EXECUTIVE MEMBERS TO ACTIVE MEMBERSHIP

A. An Active member who transferred to Executive Active membership is immediately eligible for Active membership upon return to line pilot status with his carrier and notification to the Vice President-Administration/Secretary.

B. An Active member who transferred to Executive Inactive membership shall, upon return to line pilot status with his carrier, apply in writing to the Vice President-Administration/Secretary within ninety (90) days for transfer to Active membership. Such transfer shall be contingent upon receipt of majority approval of the member's Master Executive Council. The Active membership financial obligations of the member shall begin to accrue as of the date of eligibility for transfer to such Active status. Should Master Executive Council approval for Active membership not be granted, charges shall be filed under the provisions of Article VIII and heard by his Master Executive Council at its first regular meeting and a decision rendered at that meeting, affirming or reversing its initial decision. He may appeal therefrom to the Appeal Board, utilizing the procedures of Article VIII.

 

[Andy]

C. When application for transfer from Executive Inactive membership to Active membership is not made within ninety (90) days from the date of eligibility therefore, the privilege of transfer without payment of another initiation fee shall expire, and his membership in the Association shall be automatically terminated. To regain membership status, he shall be bound by the provisions of Sections 4 and 5 of this Article.

SECTION 7 ‑ TERMINATION OF MEMBERSHIP

A. Membership shall be terminated by expulsion when a member remains in bad standing for a period of two (2) consecutive months because of nonpayment of his dues, assessments, or fines, as provided in Article IX, or when he is expelled as provided in Article VIII, or when terminated as provided in this Article; or by voluntary resignation submitted in writing by the member (recommended via certified mail/return receipt) to the Vice President-Administration/Secretary of the Association.

B. A voluntary resignation will be subject to a thirty (30) day administrative processing period but, after processing, will be effective retroactive to the date it was first received by the Vice President-Administration/Secretary of the Association. A resigning member shall not incur further membership obligations after the date his written resignation is received by the Vice President-Administration/Secretary of the Association. A member who withdraws his resignation will be fully subject to all financial and other requirements of membership that accrued during the period his resignation was being processed. The Vice President-Finance/Treasurer of the Association shall take all lawful actions to collect outstanding obligations due at the time of a member's resignation.

SECTION 8 - ASSOCIATE MEMBERS

A. A person who holds a valid U.S. or Canadian commercial pilot certificate and is employed as a pilot shall be eligible to apply for and hold associate membership in accordance with the Articles of Association and By-Laws of ALPA's associate organization, as approved by the Executive Council, provided that such person;

(1) is not a member of ALPA (in any classification);

(2) is not eligible for ALPA membership (in any classification); and

(3) is not represented by ALPA for collective bargaining purposes. Members of such associate organization shall be associate members of ALPA, and will be eligible to participate in the programs of the associate organization and ALPA established for associate members, upon payment of appropriate dues and qualification for such programs.



B. The associate organization shall be governed by its By-Laws, as approved by the Executive Council. The associate organization shall not become or function as the collective bargaining representative of any group of employees nor deal with or attempt to deal with any employer concerning grievances, labor disputes, rates of pay, hours or other terms and conditions of employment. Associate membership shall not confer eligibility to run for or vote for national or other offices in ALPA or to otherwise vote in ALPA.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Thanks Andy! That is the same CB&L I referenced!!

 

[Andy]

Thanks Andy! That is the same CB&L I referenced!!

However, you still seem to be unable to wrap your noggin around the concept that retirees and furloughees are members.
Now, if you can show me a reference ANYWHERE in ALPA's bylaws that states that MECs will only represent a portion of the membership, please reference it.

 

[pylut]

Consider you want a Audi or BMW (or whatever you like) but there are only enough funds for a Chevy. Would you be willing to pay a fair value to get the service you want?

alpo is a brown Ford Pinto station wagon with imitation wood panelling on the side!!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

However, you still seem to be unable to wrap your noggin around the concept that retirees and furloughees are members.
Now, if you can show me a reference ANYWHERE in ALPA's bylaws that states that MECs will only represent a portion of the membership, please reference it.

Gee Andy I did.... look again.

alpo is a brown Ford Pinto station wagon with imitation wood panelling on the side!!

Poor ALPA members.... they are BMW700 series material stuck in a "brown Ford Pinto station wagon with imitation wood panelling on the side".


Help! I am a sophisticated ALPA member stuck in a pinto and I can't get out!!!

 

[PHXFLYR]

:beer:

Think of me as the friendly one. My vote is gonna cancel your's out, so you may as well not vote. Tic, toc..

More like "the ignorant one" if your vote's for USAPA.

PHXFLYR

 

[ualdriver]

Dude, if you think that ALPA won't be able to figure out an angle to make money off of being sued, you're still wet behind the ears. The members will lose money, but that's because ALPA will charge the membership higher dues; ALPA will bill the members for cost plus.

Dude, you're going to have to explain to this "wet behind the ears" ALPA member how ALPA profits from being sued? We just had to set aside $150,000 of ALPA members' dues for our '08 budget JUST AT UAL to cover litigation against the membership. Where's the profit in that? We have a multi-multi million dollar lawsuit againt ALPA right now. Is this a good (i.e. profitable) thing for ALPA members or a bad thing? And I thought that excess money received by ALPA went into the Operational Contingency Fund and the Major Contingency fund for the benefit of ALPA members (i.e. strike funds, unexpected council expenses, etc.)?

OK, another ALPA member unaware of article II. I'll cut you a break, since you haven't been an ALPA jerk (unlike another member of this rez forum). Read sections D and E then comment. Please feel free to use the same lawyers as UAL MEC used.

Wow, thanks for posting all of that........I think. You could of just referenced the appropriate section and I would have looked it up!!

To all the guys that read my previous post on flightinfo.com (if there's more than 3 or 4 guys I'd be shocked)......Ualdriver screwed up in his post. They are still ALPA members. Ualdriver humbly admits his mistake.

However, I still think that different members are entitled to different levels of representation by the UAL-MEC, including furloughees and retirees. For example, an apprentice member can be terminated for just about any reason by the company, while a guy like me would be much harder to fire due to the protections afforded to me by ALPA as an active member. We're both members, but we don't have the exact same "rights" whether we like it or not. In the UAL-MEC's opinion (I assume by inference only), they decided that members who were not currently on the property as active pilots paying dues nor coming back on the property by the time the bond was sold and distributed, would get nothing (assuming they didn't roll their A fund money out of the company when they were furloughed in the first place). A line was drawn in the sand and with the threat of litigation overhead, I think they tried to draw a line that would get the most furloughees under the bond distribution umbrella while providing a legally defensible position. Again, my opinion only.

And what exactly did you hope to achieve by that brain dead comment? Taking that one step further, if a Catholic priest who molested an orphan told him to find a nice, non-Catholic orphanage to live, it'd be OK?

This analogy doesn't even make sense. If you're trying to compare ALPA to a child molesting priest and the orphan to a grown-up who willingly chose to be employed by an ALPA represented carrier, you're way off base. Again, the person I was referring to was not you, but a pilot who said that ALPA extorted his dues from him. My comment was that if he felt ALPA was in the extortion business, why doesn't he seek employment at a nice, non-union carrier? Why would one willingly go to an ALPA carrier that one feels commits extortion and then complain about it later? If one willingly chooses to be employed by an employer who commits what one feels is an illegal act, who's fault is that, especially when the "illegal act" of collecting dues isn't even illegal in the first place except in the complainer's imagination?

The age 65 change came about directly as a result of ALPA's support for the change. Period. You can sell it any way you want, but that's the way it was. At least you acknowledge that it was a push poll.

I don't acknowledge it was a push poll because I don't think it was. I've stated my opinions about the whole age 65 thing pretty clearly. I think that the FEB issue of the ALPA magazine has an excellent outline of why the age 65 change came about. I am also satisfied with the answers Prater gave to my MEC's very pointed questions a week or two back in open session during their last MEC meeting.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

More like "the ignorant one" if your vote's for USAPA.

PHXFLYR

I've got no dog in this fight....but....do you realistically see all the pilots ( or at least 50% + 1) voting to keep ALPA as their representative or going to USAPA?

...and if it all goes USAPA...what is your plan?

Just sitting in the stands watching the "mud-slinging"

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

...and if it all goes USAPA...what is your plan?

Good question.... does USAPA know? Do they think they know?

I liken it to a 20 year old that boldy declares his ability to "make it on his own", never having all the responsibilities....

or Nebraska declaring independence....

The reprecussions for the entire profession are huge if the USAIR guys split.... hopefully they will come to thier senses...

 

[jke406]

Good question.... does USAPA know? Do they think they know?

I liken it to a 20 year old that boldy declares his ability to "make it on his own", never having all the responsibilities....

That's also what the British said about the colonies.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

That's also what the British said about the colonies.

Nice try. (again)

The East pilots choose binding arbitration. They choose the arbitrator. They agreed to abide by the award.

There is no 'taxation without representation' here. This is all about free will and choice. Something you reject.

I've reviewed the USAPA website... there is nothing "revolutionary" there. If you read the FAQ, they call for democracy and particaption. Something else you reject.

All USAPA is doing is trying to re-brand democracy. There is nothing evolutionary, progressive or innovative going on.....

Simply put, to make it easier on them, they want to simplfy the democractic structure by downsizing. It is easier to work with a group of five than 500.

Just pissed off pilots who believe that "it can't get any worse". If they succeed, they just might find out how worse it can get....

 

[jke406]

This is all about free will and choice. Something you reject.

"Free will and choice."

Won't the union goons excommunicate you for using those words together in a sentence?

Really, for a union lackey to claim that he represents free will and choice--and accuse someone else of rejecting them--is laughable.

How does it feel to be irrelevant, Rez? Must be miserable...shouting your fantastical, Utopian union propaganda as loud as you can...while everyone just laughs or yawns.

Now I will exersise my "free will and choice" to add you to my ignore list.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Nice try. (again)

The East pilots choose binding arbitration. They choose the arbitrator. They agreed to abide by the award.

There is no 'taxation without representation' here. This is all about free will and choice. Something you reject.

I've reviewed the USAPA website... there is nothing "revolutionary" there. If you read the FAQ, they call for democracy and particaption. Something else you reject.

All USAPA is doing is trying to re-brand democracy. There is nothing evolutionary, progressive or innovative going on.....

Simply put, to make it easier on them, they want to simplfy the democractic structure by downsizing. It is easier to work with a group of five than 500.

Just pissed off pilots who believe that "it can't get any worse". If they succeed, they just might find out how worse it can get....

What they really want to do Rez is renegotiate the Nicolau Awrd with management so that it reflects the DOH list that they were hoping for. Everything else they claim is nothing more than a smokescreen. Can't believe all the yellow lanyards I see passing thru the east coast hubs on may way back and forth to work. Interesting choice of color. Didn't I once read somewhere that it represents cowardness?

PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

I've got no dog in this fight....but....do you realistically see all the pilots ( or at least 50% + 1) voting to keep ALPA as their representative or going to USAPA?

They're fools if they don't. Like 'em or hate 'em, there isn't a union out there that provides the depth of resources for pilots that ALPA does Problem is pilots are too stupid and lazy to figure out how to use them.

...and if it all goes USAPA...what is your plan?

"...I don't know,what was the name of that truck driving school, Mav ? Truckmasters, I think? "

Just sitting in the stands watching the "mud-slinging"

Just standing in the field doing the slinging !!:beer:

PHXFLYR

 

[Turtle21]

More like "the ignorant one" if your vote's for USAPA.

PHXFLYR

I can tell you have an ALPA mindset. You know what is best for others and would vote for them.:laugh:

tic, toc, tic, toc....:bomb:

 

[PHXFLYR]

Never said I knew what's best for others, you did !And by the way,mind telling me what an "ALPA mindset" is ?? Just curious. You realize the path your getting ready to go down won't accomplish what youre hoping for and will cost you many more years of LOA 93 wages. But then again, if you're busy feeding at the gov't trough,I guess your airline paycheck isn't really all that important to you anyhow. It's just sad to see that you and many others like you aren't using your talent to work within the system and start recouping some of what you lost since 9/11 and 2 trips thru bankruptcy court. You might be laughing now.But somehow I think I'll get the last laugh when in a few years your new union hasn't accomplished anything that they said they would and your still working under LOA 93 payrates and workrules. Then what are you gonna do ?
PHXFLYR

 

[Turtle21]

Never said I knew what's best for others, you did !And by the way,mind telling me what an "ALPA mindset" is ?? Just curious. You realize the path your getting ready to go down won't accomplish what youre hoping for and will cost you many more years of LOA 93 wages. But then again, if you're busy feeding at the gov't trough,I guess your airline paycheck isn't really all that important to you anyhow. It's just sad to see that you and many others like you aren't using your talent to work within the system and start recouping some of what you lost since 9/11 and 2 trips thru bankruptcy court. You might be laughing now.But somehow I think I'll get the last laugh when in a few years your new union hasn't accomplished anything that they said they would and your still working under LOA 93 payrates and workrules. Then what are you gonna do ?
PHXFLYR

LOL!:laugh:

I was joking when I told you that you may as well not vote since my vote will cancel your's out.

You are the one that is trying to tell me all the reasons a vote for USAPA is wrong, a waste of time, fruitless, and actually dangerous. And you actually meant it?!:laugh:

Give it up. Trying to tell an eastwhole how to vote is like telling a lemming which way to run. (See we have a sense of humor and can afford to be self-deprecating).

Yeah, yeah.. the good news is that if ALPA wins the election, by the time I retire from the military, even the most junior puke at USAir will be making twice as much as SouthWest pilots and if USAPA wins then the salary will be at least half as much as Soutwest. Either way you all will be singing kumbaya and be better off after all the character building...

Or you'll all be out of work singing in the bars.:beer:Good luck. Vote early and often.

 

[jke406]

LOL!:laugh:

I was joking when I told you that you may as well not vote since my vote will cancel your's out.

You are the one that is trying to tell me all the reasons a vote for USAPA is wrong, a waste of time, fruitless, and actually dangerous. And you actually meant it?!:laugh:

Give it up. Trying to tell an eastwhole how to vote is like telling a lemming which way to run. (See we have a sense of humor and can afford to be self-deprecating).

Yeah, yeah.. the good news is that if ALPA wins the election, by the time I retire from the military, even the most junior puke at USAir will be making twice as much as SouthWest pilots and if USAPA wins then the salary will be at least half as much as Soutwest. Either way you all will be singing kumbaya and be better off after all the character building...

Or you'll all be out of work singing in the bars.:beer:Good luck. Vote early and often.

I have no idea what you just said.

But you're halfway there on the "singing in the bars" part.

help is available if you need it. don't be like those two AWA drunks in the big house...