What has ALPA done for me lately?

[waveflyer]

Why?

Pilots aren't Doctors. They aren't curring cancer. Hell they aren't even preventing tooth decay for that matter like a dentist does.

They operate a machine. Just like a Crane Operator, a Heavy equipment operator, and a bus driver.

Get over it. Once the Dc9 is retired my 14 year old could fly all the airplanes in the fleet.

The days of actually having to be a PILOT are over son.

So is the pay.

F^^^ you. You're clueless if you believe any of that.

 

[flygirlqt]

Who is forcing you to fork over dues? Is this coercsion? Blackmail? How did you get into this situation? Where you kidnapped?

ALPA, under threat of job termination. That is a very simple concept for even a spin master like yourself to understand.

Yes it is coercion and blackmail. ALPA should earn their dues not take them. If that fundamental philosophy was in existence there would be a entirely different response and commitment to the membership

I was kidnapped once in college but there was a bubble bath waiting. Now that I reflect about it, what happened that night is the same thing that ALPA has been doing to us for years.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Back to Oak Street for him.

Anyway, that attitude is EXACTLY why;

Deregulation happened (arrogant idiots)
McCain hates Pilots (even though his kid is one)
Any President not allowing union self help.
Any President not allowing companies to flourish.
CongressHOMO's from MN wanting all airlines to stay 1 step above failure, so pilot pay will always be low.

Also, the moron stating his job is so easy a 14 year old could do it, is probably the WORST pilot you've ever flown with. I'd bet the guy is scared to fly, and thinks these buttons always work.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Hey, what's shakin sista??

 

[jke406]

I was kidnapped once in college but there was a bubble bath waiting. .

I'm right there with you on the coercion/blackmail concept...and a complete lack of return on any mandatory dues being paid with zero way to opt out.

...but I'm also intrigued your "bubble bath" incident...

 

[flygirlqt]

Hey, what's shakin sista??

Anything within reach of my hands!

 

[flygirlqt]

I'm right there with you on the coercion/blackmail concept...and a complete lack of return on any mandatory dues being paid with zero way to opt out.

...but I'm also intrigued your "bubble bath" incident...

It is easy to understand why a spin master such as Rezo doesn't acknowledge that coercion/blackmail concept.

to the bubble bath.

 

[airlineworthy]

ALPA....yeah right!

Respectfully, why do you think ALPA Nat'l should do it... Why not you?

because i pay my 2 percent for alpa to fight for my best intersests. oh yeah, F%@# PRATER TOO!

If you really wanna know what ALPA can do for you, just ask about 1500 TWA pilots that are still furloughed directly because of ALPA.

 

[andyd]

What has ALPA done for me lately? Today I got an extra $1032 in my paycheck that I wasn't really expecting. For all the whining and b!tching that goes on here just thought I'd chime in with some POSITIVE results from ALPA. If you are so deadset against ALPA or unions in general, quit your current job....make some others happy with the reduced negativity at work, make room for a regional guy to take your place....and go to work at a Non-Union, Non-Alpa shop....and see how happy you are. 1.98% is a small price to pay for piece of mind and the reduced stress that goes with it.

 

[jke406]

. 1.98% is a small price to pay for piece of mind and the reduced stress that goes with it.

From what I can see, National spends about as much time being concerned for the average pilot as they do about getting hit by a meteor (in other words, none).

what "peace of mind" and "reduced stress" are you referring to? I find it very stressful that the organization taking 2% of our paychecks does not have our best interests in mind by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[ualdriver]

I've received FAR more money from our ALPA-conceived Bond Distribution and the UAL share distribution we received post-bankruptcy than I will ever pay in dues my entire career.

I love it that some of the posters on this forum willingly applied to and accepted a job at an ALPA carrier and now complain about it. There are so many utopian non-union carrier to apply to at any given time, yet they choose an ALPA carrier to work at. Go figure.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

ALPA, under threat of job termination. That is a very simple concept for even a spin master like yourself to understand.

Question: Where you aware that ALPA represented the pilots of the airline you applied to? Or where you surprised at some point after you applied?

Once you were aware of ALPA at your carrier, did you choose to remain at that carrier?

Yes it is coercion and blackmail. ALPA should earn their dues not take them. If that fundamental philosophy was in existence there would be a entirely different response and commitment to the membership

Would you agree that part of your expectations are a lack of financial resources? IOW, would you be agree to and increase in dues if you got more satisfaction from ALPA services?

Consider you want a Audi or BMW (or whatever you like) but there are only enough funds for a Chevy. Would you be willing to pay a fair value to get the service you want?

What do you think of the volunteer system at ALPA?

 

[ualdriver]

From what I can see, National spends about as much time being concerned for the average pilot as they do about getting hit by a meteor (in other words, none).

what "peace of mind" and "reduced stress" are you referring to? I find it very stressful that the organization taking 2% of our paychecks does not have our best interests in mind by any stretch of the imagination.

Jke-

So National isn't concerned about the average pilot, huh? Obviously you didn't read post #1 on this thread? Oh that's right....You did read it. You made a wise a$$ comment about how you can get through security more quickly. You failed to read two other important parts of that post, however, didn't you? I guess if it's not about "jke," then it's not important, right?

Let me repost for you a part of post#1:

Lost Retirement Savings Act
Two key ALPA-supported bills were introduced late last year that would allow pilots to recover some of their lost retirement benefits by offering a retirement savings option to those whose defined benefit plans were terminated or frozen in bankruptcy proceedings after September 11, 2001 and before January 1, 2007. ALPA members are urged to participate in a new grassroots Action Alert to enlist congressional support for these two bills, and prompt speedy action on them. Sign on to www.alpa.org ,members only section, to send your message of support to your congressional leaders.

The Pilots Equitable Treatment Act
Although the pilot retirement age changed on December 13, 2007, when President Bush signed into law H.R. 4343, (P.L. 110-135), there remains a critical need for Congress to pass H.R. 2103 and S. 1270 The Pilots Equitable Treatment Act (aka Akaka/Miller). Although the pilot retirement age has been raised to 65, there are still pilots who will be penalized on the guaranteed level of benefits they receive from the PBGC because age 60 was the mandatory retirement age at the time their defined benefit plans were terminated. We have updated the suggested message for ALPA members to send to your federal legislators to reflect this situation, and continue to urge your participation in this important grassroots effort. Go to our website, www.alpa.org , for more information, and the tools to write to your congressional leaders.

Jke, I was wondering if you could do me a favor. Could you tell all the ALPA pilots on this thread who are expecting a greatly diminished PBGC benefit when they retire how ALPA's push for the above legislation is akin to the first sentence of your last post? Would you mind telling the ALPA pilots on this thread how trying to increase their PBGC benefits by THOUSANDS, perhaps TENS OF THOUSANDS per year is akin to not being concerned about the average pilot? Man, there must be a meteor shower outside, huh? I had better get my car in the garage!

What ALPA airline did you choose to work for jke? Just curious........

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

From what I can see, National spends about as much time being concerned for the average pilot as they do about getting hit by a meteor (in other words, none).

That is because you might have the expectation that ALPA represents "a couple of pilots"

Democracy is about compromise. When there are 60,000 pilots it is hard to to give a few everything or even most of what they want.

Heck... even when the majority want something, it might not be pragmatic. Mature, responsible and experienced people know this.... don't they?

what "peace of mind" and "reduced stress" are you referring to? I find it very stressful that the organization taking 2% of our paychecks does not have our best interests in mind by any stretch of the imagination.

Let's not take for granted what we expect.

It has happened in the past that US Air Line Pilots have shown up for work, met by an armed guard, who escorted the pilots to a company official, who handed the pilots a terminaltion notice and an application for employment... at a lower wage.

Your ability to come to work relatively worry free is not happenstance. It has come from hard work of professional volunteers who have hacked a path for the rest of us....

It is regretful and disapointing that many will then complain that they have to step over a cut branch or the path is not paved.

 

[Flopgut]

I've received FAR more money from our ALPA-conceived Bond Distribution and the UAL share distribution we received post-bankruptcy than I will ever pay in dues my entire career.

Wait a sec, your bond distribution metrics/methods weren't actually the epitome (sp) of perfection??

Fair treatment and lost retirement catch up efforts were a distant second and third to age 65. Two things that probably should have happened before IMHO.