What does your 1.95% do for you?

[Rez O. Lewshun]

In my short few weeks here I have come across a few of your posts with the same pattern......an elitist, arrogant attitude that also has no answers but delights in shooting down the thoughts of others. So enlighten us, oh wonder of the aviation community, as to the intricate workings of ALPA and airline labor relations. Please provide references and cite all sources. A brief explanation is preferred, but a more lengthy analysis will also be considered.

Oh, BTW, Woerth is worthless, as are your condescending posts. JMHO.

YAWN....

My post are condescending only becuase the truth hurts. Look man, ALPA has problems, but even a 20 year ALPA legacy carrier guy doesn't know how the union works.... So how can you really fix the prolems

What is fustrating is knowing how much more effective ALPA could be if people pilots would get informed!! It is that simple... Instead they waste thier time on the message board feeding frenzy, gobbling up misinformation only to make themselves feel better... Only problem is nothing changed except DW makes too much money and the sytem in screwed up...

I am not an elitis... I am just well read!!

 

[pylut]

I am not an elitis... I am just well read!!

Yawn.... Same old alpo cool aid drinking condescending crap Rushbo was speaking about. I believe you just made his point quite well.

Read all you want, but put down your copy of flying the line long enough to check out what is actually going on in the real world.

By the way I read enough to know that it is "elitist"

 

[PHXFLYR]

Huck

My understanding is that even of both TWA and AA were ALPA, ALPA wouldn't have done anything at all. They always "wash their hands" when 2 ALPA carriers are talking about merging- telling them they aren't able to get involved at all. Conflict of interest? I don't know.


ALPA is only as good as your MEC.

If that's case we at AWA are doomed....


PHXFLYR

 

[B6Driver]

ALPO is a worthless, self serving club where everyone pays dues and the goons at ALPO national sit around in Herndon and laugh and laugh about how stupid the members are to fall for such a hollow ploy.
Just so we're clear on this; there are members who were royally screwed by our friends at ALPO and then there are member who are just waiting their turn for that same "Thank you very much!"

For the record, I paid 14 years of my hard earned money into that toilet.
Not that I have any bad feelings for them.........

 

[Falconjet]

Thanks for clearing that up.

FJ

 

[Splinter]

Looks like even those who drink the koolaid can agree that Drain Woerthless needs to go. Just to prove that ALPA is a good ol' boy network up in VA, ask your MEC to speak to it's rep on ALPA Executive to demand that he step down. You will be laughed at to your face. Even the Mesaba guy is a suckup and spineless because he has his head so far up Woerthless' brain he can taste test his breakfast. They are all sellouts because they want his job. Everyone wants to be Caesar but live in fear of being the one to take him out since everyone else will try it on the new Caesar.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Yawn.... Same old alpo cool aid drinking condescending crap Rushbo was speaking about. I believe you just made his point quite well.

Read all you want, but put down your copy of flying the line long enough to check out what is actually going on in the real world.

By the way I read enough to know that it is "elitist"

YAWN!

Same ol' apathy and ancedotal trash talkin. All the problems are with someone else..

ALPA has't lived up to my preconcieved expectations so therefore they are all crooks! Me Me Me!

Tell us....all of us...what IS going on in the real world. Can you discuss the real problems and provide real solutions or are you just part of the finger pointing crowd that is in vogue.

Does the current state of morale choose for you?

 

[Falconjet]

The question should be: What have YOU done for ALPA and YOUR 1.95%.

The union is some super entity that can control the world. It is just a bunch of pilots and lawyers trying to protect the interests of the pilots in the union (and of course the union itself, they are human after all). Nobody ever claimed the union could solve world hunger and put man on mars. It is just the best way for the pilot group to help itself against the tyranny of management.

So again, what have YOU done for YOUR 1.95%.

Yeah, I thought so.

FJ

 

[Draginass]

Exactly.

320AV8R

Not exactly. TWA had zero bargaining chips, ALPA or no. TWA as a business enterprise was dead in the water and the deal was accept AA/APA terms or the unemployment office. TWA ALPA could have chosen to NOT waive their contractural fragmentation rights with corporate TWA. Of course, the choices would have remained the same.

As far as the APA goes, it's no different from ALPA. The senior guys own the union, and, as long as they can get 51% on their side, can do anything they like to the junior 49% . . . like waive "iron-clad" "no furlough" clauses to preserve their own paychecks. Of course, they call it "saving the profession," but it's really about me, me, me.

Regarding Duane, there's really not much he can do when faced with an attack from all sides. He's like a King without an army. He's got lots of feudal lords with armies under his banner, but getting them to fight as a team is something else. They all look out after ol' number 1, first.

 

[B6Driver]

Draginass,
You sound young and foolish and with time and a little luck, you'll grow out of one. In time you'll learn the truth, best of luck because you'll need it if you keep your wagon hitched to that group for too long.

 

[Draginass]

Draginass,
You sound young and foolish and with time and a little luck, you'll grow out of one. In time you'll learn the truth, best of luck because you'll need it if you keep your wagon hitched to that group for too long.

The first part of your reply is unintelligible, but as for the last part, my wagon's not hitched to either of them anymore.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

By the way I read enough to know that it is "elitist"

When your hourly rate and work rules are negotiated, do you want to be represented as an elitist? Or just another hourly worker.... Choose your battles...

 

[pianoman]

didn't realize thread was 'mostly dead'....never mind rant

 

[Boeingman]

Anyone see a pattern?

Notice Rez dredges up a thread from a month ago to once again in a lame attempt to remind us how effective ALPA has been. I know Rez, it is all our fault. Maybe if you keep saying it enough you'll actually start to believe it.

Incidently sport, many of us believe the only elitists within this union are down in Herndon.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Notice Rez dredges up a thread from a month ago to once again in a lame attempt to remind us how effective ALPA has been. I know Rez, it is all our fault. Maybe if you keep saying it enough you'll actually start to believe it.

Incidently sport, many of us believe the only elitists within this union are down in Herndon.

I see a pattern too. Whiney school girls acting like Air Line Pilots. I wish you guys would be more effective and decertify ALPA. There is a lot I don't like about ALPA and if we need to wipe the slate clean lets do it.....

Stop complaining.... Put up or shut up...

 

[Boeingman]

I see a pattern too. Whiney school girls acting like Air Line Pilots. I wish you guys would be more effective and decertify ALPA. There is a lot I don't like about ALPA and if we need to wipe the slate clean lets do it.....

Stop complaining.... Put up or shut up...

We need to wipe the slate clean with ineffective leadership who care about nothing more than lining their pockets with our dues.

Simple enough for you? Or does the whining about being ripped off hit a little to close to home Rez?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

We need to wipe the slate clean with ineffective leadership who care about nothing more than lining their pockets with our dues

Go for it... Take a leadership role.... I'll back you up....

Simple enough for you? Or does the whining about being ripped off hit a little to close to home Rez?

As much as you'd love for this to be true...you are not even close... At least you admit to whinning....

Merry Christmas

 

[Boeingman]

Go for it... Take a leadership role.... I'll back you up....



As much as you'd love for this to be true...you are not even close... At least you admit to whinning....

Merry Christmas

I have zero desire or time to play the politics game with ALPA. If you want to classify my disgust and view of national's total lack of integrity as whining...so be it. You never did address that integrity issue Rez.

Your intransigent defense of the indefensible does raise some eyebrows as to your motivation.

Merry Christmas to you as well.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I have zero desire or time to play the politics game with ALPA. If you want to classify my disgust and view of national's total lack of integrity as whining...so be it. You never did address that integrity issue Rez.

Your intransigent defense of the indefensible does raise some eyebrows as to your motivation.

Merry Christmas to you as well.

But yet THE game at ALPA IS politics. ALPA is a political organization. Always has, always will. And its not just ALPA. AOPA is all political. All unions are political. Any organization that is an association is political in nature. (not an absolute statement......)

Everything that effects our jobs is determined via CFR. So if one wants to make the piloting profession better one HAS to play politics.

I personally don't have a [intergrity] problem with ALPA National salaries. Why?

I called ALPA Nat'l and spoke to a VP and got information. Fact is....

National has taken pay cuts. There is a Usair, DAL and UAL Vice President. All have lost thier pension and taken pay cuts.

Their compensation is determined by the BOD, not themselves.

An union officer is a politician. You stated in your quote above that you don't have the time or desire to play politics. So if you won't do it, who will? What incentive does a line pilot have to represent his fellow pilots. Why should someone leave 15-18 days off a month to work 50+ hours a week? Leave their per deim and the enjoyment of flying jets?

Also, think about the guys you fly with..... Does any of them have the skill set to meet and discuss with DOT Sec. Mineta and behave in a manner that will allow himself to be invited to the next meeting? ALPA is not a thug gang. ALPA is determined to keep a place at the table where decisions are made. In order to do this, ALPA must be invited. ALPA doesn't have a right to function in gov't or managements house. In order to keep getting invited back you have to be low key. This is where guys don't get it, cause they want action and they want it now. ALPA can bang its fist on the table and get what it wants today, but tomorrow they will be left out in the parking lot. It's hard to represent your pilots from the parking lot.

This is not an endorsement of DW. Just a viewpoint on the ALPA National job descriptions in general.

You say you don't have the time or desire to play politics. Fine. But we had better be willing to support those who are willing to play politics for us...

Politics is where we take care of the business of the Air Line Pilot Profession.