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General Lee

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Delta can't afford to fly
Fare hikes were not enough, so several flights from SLC will
be cut
By Paul Beebe
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 01/05/2008 12:26:34 PM MST

With jet fuel prices refusing to retreat from record
heights, Delta Air Lines is doing more than just raising
fares, and some of the measures will hit Salt Lake City
travelers this month.
On Tuesday, Delta will end nonstop service from its Salt
Lake City International Airport hub to airports in
Birmingham, Ala.; Des Moines, Iowa; Fayetteville, Ark.;
Memphis, Tenn.; Milwaukee; and Sioux Falls, S.D. The airline
cited high fuel prices, its biggest single expense.
Later in January, Delta will trim one flight a day to
another 12 airports, including Washington Dulles in
Virginia, Vancouver International in British Columbia,
Kansas City, Omaha, as well as destinations in California,
the Pacific Northwest and the Midwest. In total, Delta is
cutting its Salt Lake capacity - the number of seats
available to passengers - by 3 percent this year.
The action is part of Delta's larger goal to trim
systemwide domestic capacity this year by 5 percent, cancel
or reduce flying some aircraft and cut an unstated number of
jobs to offset fuel prices that climbed nearly 60 percent in
2007 and may have wiped out the carrier's operating profit
in the final quarter of the year. Also contributing to a
lesser extent is a slight softening of demand for domestic
travel.
Delta hopes the actions will save $400 million in 2008
and allow it to hang on to the financial recovery that began
after huge losses and cutthroat competition from low-cost
airlines drove it into bankruptcy in 2005.
"Given this, we are adjusting domestic capacity to
reduce flying at off-peak times and to long-haul
destinations that are served infrequently and can be better
served via [other Delta hubs]," spokesman Anthony Black said
in an e-mail.
Capacity will be scaled back "with minimal customer
impact," Black said.
Others aren't so sanguine. Many Delta flights are
already crowded. Drawing down the supply of available seats
could make its aircraft even fuller. And that's likely to
push fares higher. Moreover, some destinations that have
been a nonstop flight away will be harder to reach.
"One never likes to lose any airline service, but with
fuel prices as high as they are, it's not a surprise," said
Michael Marnach, executive director of the Sioux Falls
airport. The loss means 10,000 annual South Dakota travelers
will have to find another way to reach Salt Lake or bypass
the city altogether, he said.
If there is a common denominator, it's that all
the affected routes are served with a mix of 50-, 70- and
76-seat gas-guzzling Bombardier regional jets that Delta and
others say are inefficient to fly on long-haul routes where
demand is limited.

"They are more costly on a per-seat basis. A majority of
the agreements Delta has with its regional partners [such as
SkyWest Airlines] calls for the cost of fuel to be passed
from the partners to Delta. The high cost of fuel has
reduced the number of markets where a regional jet can make
money," said Michael Boyd, an airline consultant in
Evergreen, Colo.
The cuts mark a turnaround from past airline practice.
When demand for travel flagged, airlines often kindled
interest in flying with fare cuts or promotional packages.
That's changed. Now, airlines park some of their planes to
bring down costs and pack the remaining aircraft with
passengers. Delta, for instance, intends to ground 35 of its
regional jets in the first quarter.
"We think . . . one of the best ways to manage the
fuel crisis is actually not to fly the aircraft," Ed
Bastian, Delta's president and chief financial officer, told
analysts last month.

While capacity cuts may shore up Delta's finances,
consumers will feel the pinch of higher ticket prices. Major
airlines, including Delta, successfully raised fares 17
times in 2007, said Rick Seaney, chief executive officer of
FareCompare.com, a Dallas-based online travel site.
"With oil slipping over the $100 per barrel mark today
and legacy airlines continuing to drastically reduce
capacity, consumers should brace themselves for continued
airfare hikes in 2008," Seaney said Wednesday.
Whether Salt Lake travelers can expect more capacity
trims is unclear. In his remarks to analysts last month,
Bastian said Delta would take more steps to reduce the
supply of domestic flights if fuel prices don't stabilize.
Black said the airline "will continue to invest in new
services and destinations" from Salt Lake.
"It's really hard to know. The wildcard we're dealing
with is the cost of fuel. We may see future decreases until
oil prices can level out," airport spokeswoman Barbara Gann
said.
In June, Delta will begin flying from Salt Lake to
Paris. The airline's first transatlantic route between Utah
and France is another element of the carrier's capacity
plans. While domestic capacity will fall this year,
international capacity is expected to increase at least 15
percent. Delta will add more than 20 new international
routes this year as it continues to expand its overseas
flights, where profits are higher and competition from low-
cost carriers is less.
"It's literally a retreat from the domestic market,"
said George Hamlin, managing director of Airline Capital
Associates, a Virginia-based firm that forecasts airline
trends.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General, why is Delta flying Salt Lake to Dulles on an RJ. We discuss all the time how the RJ's are not fuel efficient but at the end of the day it is Delta's, Northwest's, Americans, etc. Management who use the RJ's for flights that should be handled by a mainline aircraft.
 
So in the future we will see more 76 seat Q400's and ATR 72's vs RJ's? I'll agree with that.

The precedence has already been set. There will always be regional operators the fly mainline loads. Change the plane, but the fact still remains that DAL will contract out the least expensive bidder. DAL above all (along with UAL) should realize this. The nearest battle should be regaining the scope. Anything 60+seat should be mainline.

Ref
 
What do you get when you merge Delta and United ?

A LOT less planes and A LOT less pilots.

What do you get when you include age 65 ?

FIRST OFFICER General Lee 10 years from now.
 
General, why is Delta flying Salt Lake to Dulles on an RJ. We discuss all the time how the RJ's are not fuel efficient but at the end of the day it is Delta's, Northwest's, Americans, etc. Management who use the RJ's for flights that should be handled by a mainline aircraft.

They do not serve Dulles from SLC. Some CR9s do go to PIT, YYZ, and CLE, which are the longest routes. During our slower months some of these RJs have replaced mainline planes, which is good to protect market share if a mainline plane can't sustain it. But, this article is pointing out that some routes cannot be sustained at all with high fuel. If they warrent service during our busier months, then they will be revisted.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
What do you get when you merge Delta and United ?

A LOT less planes and A LOT less pilots.

What do you get when you include age 65 ?

FIRST OFFICER General Lee 10 years from now.


Very unlikely a United and Delta merger will happen. More likely, if mergers happen, will be Delta and NWA, which will include a lot more planes (777s and 787s), and lots of INTL growth. If anything occurs with United and Delta, it will probably be Delta buying portions of United. Thanks for your concern, but I think you are wrong. We shall see.......

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
What do you get when you merge Delta and United ?

A LOT less planes and A LOT less pilots.

What do you get when you include age 65 ?

FIRST OFFICER General Lee 10 years from now.


How's American Eagle doing by the way?


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Smart fella!

How's American Eagle doing by the way?


Bye Bye--General Lee


Translation:

I am the General, I am cool, I fly a bigger plane so the fact that I am a lonely pathetic little man doesn't really matter... I fly a big plane, I fly a big plane, I fly a big plane, etc. etc. etc.

-Truly sad....
 
Translation:

I am the General, I am cool, I fly a bigger plane so the fact that I am a lonely pathetic little man doesn't really matter... I fly a big plane, I fly a big plane, I fly a big plane, etc. etc. etc.

-Truly sad....

Not only that, he can't spare the time to indent his diatribes to make them easy to comprehend...although in his defense it's hard to get that ego in such a small space.
 
They do not serve Dulles from SLC. Some CR9s do go to PIT, YYZ, and CLE, which are the longest routes. During our slower months some of these RJs have replaced mainline planes, which is good to protect market share if a mainline plane can't sustain it. But, this article is pointing out that some routes cannot be sustained at all with high fuel. If they warrent service during our busier months, then they will be revisted.

Bye Bye--General Lee

It's not just RJs. Unprofitable mainline routes are being cut too.

As said above, Delta's "surprise" at the "temporary fuel crisis" means Delta shrinking and FIRST OFFICER Lee being a gear bitch for many more years.
 
Translation:

I am the General, I am cool, I fly a bigger plane so the fact that I am a lonely pathetic little man doesn't really matter... I fly a big plane, I fly a big plane, I fly a big plane, etc. etc. etc.

-Truly sad....

Hey, I asked a question. If you read more into that, then that is your fault. Your feelings seem to get hurt very easily. I am sorry....... I have a question for you though (don't read into this too deeply please)

How is Valdosta?


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
It's not just RJs. Unprofitable mainline routes are being cut too.

As said above, Delta's "surprise" at the "temporary fuel crisis" means Delta shrinking and FIRST OFFICER Lee being a gear bitch for many more years.

Where do you read that Johnny? The article states a few mainline planes are being realigned, but not "not flown" as Ed Bastain states. Did you read the part about adding a 767ER from Paris (France, not Texas) to SLC? That will add plenty of profits to our coffers, but the CR9s are NOT doing it during the slower Winter seasons, and they are not being usedl. I called a SkyWest buddy and he said line numbers in SLC were WAY down, and people not used to being on reserve are now on reserve. You see, high oil and RJs do not mix, and the article even described the RJs (all sizes) as gas guzzlers. That should be very troubling to you (a lifer at ASA and future RJ captain), and Ed Bastain's opinion should make you poop your pants--since he is really telling your boss Brad Holt (through Jerry in St George) what to do. Many 37 and 50 seaters will be parked in CVG, and your AT7s are going away in ATL. What amazed me was the CR9 was thrown in there too--as a gas guzzler. Not a good sign. But, the Spring and Summer will ramp up your flying again, no doubt. And maybe you haven't heard about our fleet expansion? It is growing quite a bit, and so is our fleet! Bye Now.



Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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Re: What do you get when you mix high oil and RJs? Less RJs

In all reality, your airline is in trouble.

Bloomberg is saying options for $200 per barrel oil by the end of the year are selling.

When only the uber rich are flying, being a Captain in a company that operates 70 or 50 seat jets might be a good place to be. 37 to 76 seats could be the all the capacity necessary.
 
Bloomberg is saying options for $200 per barrel oil by the end of the year are selling.

When only the uber rich are flying, being a Captain in a company that operates 70 or 50 seat jets might be a good place to be. 37 to 76 seats could be the all the capacity necessary.

Netjets is hiring...
 
Bloomberg is saying options for $200 per barrel oil by the end of the year are selling.

When only the uber rich are flying, being a Captain in a company that operates 70 or 50 seat jets might be a good place to be. 37 to 76 seats could be the all the capacity necessary.

What you forget is that with gas prices that high people won't be driving long distances either. That means planes will remain full, especially during Spring and Summer, along with holidays. INTL travel is cheaper for foreigners, since the dollar is weak and cheap for those people. They will be the ones flying TO THE US for the cheap bargains, and they will fill planes across the oceans. Airlines without INTL service will be hurting. Those 37-50 seaters will be parked soon, or be used on current BigSky routes for the EAS probably. You need to be able to spread out the costs, and larger planes will do that. By getting rid of the RJs, the number of flights will go down and make business travellers all funnel into a mainline plane, which will be full of full paying pax. Also, it is forcasted that by 2011 there will be 1 billion pax per year flying domestically. That may change with super high oil prices, but basically there will be more pax and hopefully less RJs. Even LGA wants there to be less RJs since they do not bring in the needed revenue for the airport. They clog up the skies and don't bring in the profits. Ed Bastain at Delta seems to think that, or he wouldn't park them. Is he wrong?


Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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