What do Netjets guys do on long flights

[niteflyr]

As for a guy missing 4 calls, I agree it is unacceptable and should have been handled on an individual basis. But if we are going to be total sticklers, is leaving the flight deck to help pax acceptable either???? He could have easily filed an ASAP that he missed the calls due to being alone in the cockpit for unnecessary reasons.

I personally have missed more calls with the non stop "when I was at airplane camp..." stories. I personally only used the ipod on the long (2+hrs) legs and only when the conversation ran out, then I would reach down and kick it on, and never once missed a call because of it.

I think the clincher in all this was the fact people were watching videos in flight on the ipod, that is pushing it. Especially when a pax could easily see you doing it.

 

[ultrarunner]

because some of the HF band is allocated to Amateur Radio Service use only

And since when did amateurs need a license???

 

[Hugh Johnson]

I actually like hearing the opinion of the other pilot on subjects like, Rental Property management, Investments, kids, wives (for the Utah folks) and my favorite, athiesim lies.

Do you discuss to Religious lies?

 

[Hugh Johnson]

Do you discuss religious lies, even. First day typing.

 

[CA1900]

And remember: If you denounce iPods yet listen to the ADF over the very same headset, you're a hypocrite. That is all.

 

[glasspilot]

I have a separate headset for ADF so I'm okay.




zing.

Sarcasm machine disengaged.

 

[acaTerry]

I actually agree with you about the ipod thing. I think it's pretty rude to the guy you're flying with and disrespectful to the owners who are paying a ton for your professional service.

However, what's with your dig on Regional Pilots? Your name is ACA Terry. Isn't that Atlantic Coast Airlines? Flew for United as United Express? Isn't that CL65 in your aircraft flown a CRJ that ACA operated? I'm not putting you down...just wondering why your busting on former regional pilots if you were one.

I take no offense at all to your post. My beef isn't with regional pilots, I was on myself for years. But with the ones of today, in particular the ones who were career changers rather than the "kid at the airport" types. I see them with their blue sunglasses (inside the terminal), green or red backpacks jacked up like they're going camping, plugged in with white wires coming out of their ears, and God help you if you're a passenger asking for any kind of help. You'll get the "I'm far too cool to be bothered by you" look, with a shrug of the shoulders. I just think that yesterdays regional pilot took the job and the public eye more seriously. Sure we had fun, but we were more concerned with the publics perception of us. We knew that their perception of us dictated the kinds of letters they wrote to our management (which was important during contracts), and that ultimately, the passengers were our paycheck. I just don't see todays regional pilots as professional aviators, but rather as a bunch of spoiled kids who slapped down $80,000, instructed 3 months and now see the world as owing them a living.
I know there are a bunch of regional pilots out there who are not fitting of this opinion (I taught many a good student at an academy), but that they are dwindling in population and the refills are really weak and immature.
Look at the Pinnacle pilot who was arrested last week, and how about 80% of his peers are sticking up for him in here. But if he crashed a plane from a mess-up, he'd be hung to dry. So its this:
**get arrested for running around naked in someones yard, you're cool. Made a conscious and deliberate choice to get drunk, naked and stupid. But...if you
**have an accident....you're stupid. And there is nothing to learn here because all these regional kids COULD NEVER make such a mistake. After all, they passed a checkride!
It's the immaturity and short sightedness that kills me. I see it all the time now at NJA in my fleet. We hired a fair number of regional FOs last year because that's all we could get with that silly domicile system. Now I inherit about 400% to 500% more dirty, unstocked airplanes. Passengers complain more and we have had ridiculously high numbers of reminders from the CPs about uniform issues (which isn't that hard to follow...we don't even wear hats!).
So you see, it drives me nuts that I have to fly with a guy who required electric stimulation 24 hours a day, won't do his job, and sees everyone else as the problem. Hope that clears my position more.

 

[acaTerry]

But if we are going to be total sticklers, is leaving the flight deck to help pax acceptable either????

It's a requirement of our job, in the FOM approved by the FAA.
The iPod is not the issue with me, it's that it freaks out the passengers who could get a pilot with an iPod for $19,400 a month less. We agreed to a job description, so why can't we just follow our end of the deal? It's not that hard...fly the company planes, in the company uniform, following company policy. If this is too hard, then some guys have had too many easy jobs in their life.

 

[a&p cfiguy]

And remember: If you denounce iPods yet listen to the ADF over the very same headset, you're a hypocrite. That is all.

My favorite is the guys who denounce using ipods, but read a book or newspaper in cruise. When listening to music in the backround during cruise, you can still scan the instruments, look outside, reprogram the FMS, adjust the power, and even make radio calls. When reading a book or newspaper, you can't do anything. You don't read a newspaper when driving your car right?

I do think it is a bit unprofessional if you make it obvious, like having white earplug wires coming out of your headset. Just get a headset adapter or QC2 or something and keep the ipod hidden.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Soooo.... what you guys are saying is that it's ok to listen to an iPod on EMPTY legs then?