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FreightNazi

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Posted from another board. Seems this guy finished his time and nobody will give him a job. Boo Hoo for him!


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http://forums.airlinepilotcentral.com/images/icons/icon1.gif What is with the hiring process?
I am having a problem. I understand that many of the regional airlines have pretty low minimums (600/100, 750/200, etc...). What I don't understand is just what are some of the things recruiters look for when choosing applicants. I have had only one interview since applying for first officer positions at various regionals. So far, I have only heard back from two other airlines: Expressjet and Eagle. Expressjet has denied me an interview for the second time, and I was just rejected by Eagle. I understand that I did not meet Eagle's competitive criteria, that's just the nature of my flight time. I don't understand why Express will not even grant me an interview even though I meet and exceed their minimum requirements. I have call the airline and I have never received an answer that makes sense.

My flight time: 1017 hrs TT; 360 hrs ME; 340 hrs Turbine; 340 hrs SIC Part - 121 commuter.

Are these numbers truly competitive for a regional FO position?

I have applied a few other airlines, including Mesa, Air Wisconsin, ASA, to name a few - but no replies so far. Is there usually a time from when recruiters receive applications to when they respond?

I have several associates now in the airlines, who entered with much lower time than what I have.

It has been over 2 months since my last flight, and I am pulling out what hair I have left on my head. If anybody out there has any suggestions, please drop a line; I would appreciate it. Right now, I am just an FO without a job.

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I flew for Gulfstream airlines under their first officer program
which was 250 hrs. contracted - I actually got alot more time than I bargained for to the tune of 340 hrs. Once my time was completed (as per the contract) I began to seek employment with regional air carriers. This is where I run into this problem.

Some of those same people I knew at Gulfstream managed to get into other airlines with less time than what I have - I mean just right at the required minimums for ASA and Expressjet. As you read from my time, I actually have double the total time thay had when they left G-stream.
 
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viper548

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The airlines he's applying to sees he worked for GA and probably expects a fat check attached to the resume.
 

User546

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Don't cry on my shoulder about it. Wah, wah, wah...

If other people, with less time from GIA, have gotten on with these airlines, and he hasn't... maybe he needs to look in the mirror, it's probably a personal problem (personality, appearance, low techinical knowledge).

But maybe if you whine about it enough, they'll give you an interview just because they feel sorry for you. :rolleyes:
 

labbats

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Can't he just pay someone for an interview?
 

The_Russian

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If other people, with less time from GIA, have gotten on with these airlines, and he hasn't... maybe he needs to look in the mirror, it's probably a personal problem (personality, appearance, low techinical knowledge).

Mabye he's getting rejected because he's just a douchebag...

You are exactly correct!

I can start off by telling you that the bad seeds at GIA get weeded out quick. This guy most likely did not perform well as a pilot/crewmember, had a bad attitude, or didn't know what he was supposed to know (regs, systems, OM; etc). If you told me his name I would probably recognize it too.

Can't he just pay someone for an interview?

No.
 

Tyro

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GIA or no GIA, he is most certainly entitled.
Bad Sign.
 

Machdog1

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R u crazy!!

Upgrade to captain there don't go to any regional. Regionals (all of them now) are crap pay and no upgrade time. My advise stay away and if u do decide to go to one u will agree with me after 3 years and u are still making 30-40k a year. If not go to a fractional or do charter, the pay is much better and the upgrade time is quicker. My 2 cents!!!!
 

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put a part 135 flight time requirement on the 121 side of the ball game and all of these or most of the pilot factorys will go out of business.
 

The_Russian

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put a part 135 flight time requirement on the 121 side of the ball game and all of these or most of the pilot factorys will go out of business.

True. But that still won't make the airlines pay any better. At 1200 hours you would still take anything just to get out of that 172 after two years. And it wouldn't improve the safety of the system because in the US anyone can be a pilot. And trust me, with some of the people I have taught/flown with, ANYONE can be a career pilot. It will always be about money and networking.
 

FreightNazi

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Superpilot92 said:
put a part 135 flight time requirement on the 121 side of the ball game and all of these or most of the pilot factorys will go out of business.


How about making that requirement retroactive, so anyone currently at a 121 carrier without 135 time will be fired.
 

The_Russian

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Or anyone with more than one pink slip. I think that one is actually on the way.
 
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FreightNazi said:
How about making that requirement retroactive, so anyone currently at a 121 carrier without 135 time will be fired.


that's a pretty cool idea, pay your dues and not with your daddy's wallet
 

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FreightNazi said:
Once my time was completed (as per the contract) I began to seek employment with regional air carriers. This is where I run into this problem.

Maybe everyone is starting to see the light and filtering through these PFT short-cutters through the interview process at regionals!! Could it be so?!?!
 

Superpilot92

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The_Russian said:
True. But that still won't make the airlines pay any better. At 1200 hours you would still take anything just to get out of that 172 after two years. And it wouldn't improve the safety of the system because in the US anyone can be a pilot. And trust me, with some of the people I have taught/flown with, ANYONE can be a career pilot. It will always be about money and networking.

Maybe or maybe not. Because some people may not get into it if the have to work for it and not buy it or better yet earn it. plus with the pilot factories if you pay something like 30k+ like at allatp and get all your ratings in 3 months and an interview. Almost anyone can come up with a loan for that amount, if the mins were 135 mins people would have to pay triple what the do now to buy their way into it and all this start training to airline in less than a year would be done. People would have to work to get in and there wouldnt me as many pilots looking to get into the regionals.
 

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Machdog1 said:
Upgrade to captain there don't go to any regional. Regionals (all of them now) are crap pay and no upgrade time. My advise stay away and if u do decide to go to one u will agree with me after 3 years and u are still making 30-40k a year. If not go to a fractional or do charter, the pay is much better and the upgrade time is quicker. My 2 cents!!!!

Don't you need to drop another $30k for that too?
 

Tank Commander

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Pay your dues? I'll tell you about paying your dues! Go in enlist in any branch of the military, serve something other then your self. When someone ask me were did I pay my dues? Columbia 1980's, Bosnia, Kosavo, Gulf-war. While most of you were building time I and many others were abroad keeping oil prices down. I would not change a thing. I had a great career in the military, been to parts of the world nun of you will ever see. I've drinked wine on the Rhine in Germany, sipped café' on the Seine in Paris. Hell, Ive been drunk on Jim Morrison's grave three times. Listing you some of you is like listing to a bunch of little kids arguing over who got to ride in the wagon last. If you are looking for away to experience life, this is not it.

PS. Bondo! are you in a 727?
 

aviatrix

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Tank Commander said:
Pay your dues? I'll tell you about paying your dues! Go in enlist in any branch of the military, serve something other then your self. When someone ask me were did I pay my dues? Columbia 1980's, Bosnia, Kosavo, Gulf-war. While most of you were building time I and many others were abroad keeping oil prices down. I would not change a thing. I had a great career in the military, been to parts of the world nun of you will ever see. I've drinked wine on the Rhine in Germany, sipped café' on the Seine in Paris. Hell, Ive been drunk on Jim Morrison's grave three times. Listing you some of you is like listing to a bunch of little kids arguing over who got to ride in the wagon last. If you are looking for away to experience life, this is not it.

PS. Bondo! are you in a 727?

You are absolutely right, Tank Commander!!! That is true service and "paying your dues!!!" Your service is much appreciated and your future will be bright because of it! Way to go!!
 

xjlifer

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"While most of you were building time I and many others were abroad keeping oil prices down"

That one is up for debate.
 

xjlifer

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Nice debate! You win!!
 
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