What airport has the worst controllers?

[EagleRJ]

There seems to be the greatest amount of variation at the small town CTs. Most are excellent, but there are a few that seem to operate with an 80kt mindset, and if a jet or a commuter shows up, everything falls apart. It gets especially interesting if all the Cessnas are on a runway that is perpendicular to the one you are using.

I can second being scared in Wichita Falls, Texas. That's the training facility for the Air Force, for both pilots and air traffic controllers. Most of the pilots are flying T-38s, and they're trying their best just to stay in formation and keep their heads above water. A few years ago, someone had the bright idea of painting the Talons camo grey instead of white, so now it's officially the hardest-to-spot airplane in the world. If it's a cloudy day, the plane might as well have a cloaking device! The students' hot-dogging and doing 20,000 fpm zoom-climbs doesn't help either.
Most of the controllers there are students, so there is a lot of extreme overcautiousness and gigantic vectors. Sometimes the controller will give you a clearence that is immediately countermanded by their instructor. That gets your attention!

 

[414Flyer]

I actually learned to fly in Wichita Falls. Didnt have too many problems with controllers there myself, but I can easily see it happening. Gotta love that "hong kong curve" into rwy 17 so you dont overfly the usaf ramp and taxiways.

 

[Airpiraterob]

Philly.

they suck balls.

getting in? i dont think theres a tighter virgin airport. you can talk your way in all you want, and youll get vectored around all over gods countryside. but youll only get in AFTER youve burnt off your turnaround time at the gate.

getting out on a busy day? you can request any runway you want on a light wind clear skies day. just as long as its 27 left.

cause thats the only one youll get unless you can liftoff in 1500 feet with 2 props. they must assume since youre a jet, you have to have 10,000 feet.....weve been denied 35 as its not in use....and then a bunch of dash's and what not lift off of 35 ....WTF-over?

i honestly dont think its the controllers so much as the runaway/ramp/terminal configuration was designed by a down-syndrom afflicted blind engineer. if i were a new controller there given the configuration to work with that they have, i'd have no choice but to quickly become retarded on the job.

theres no excuses for dip$hits

ever depart on 9L?....on a slow night? one takes off........wate a minute......wait 10 miutes...then another takes off........wait 10.

southwest is gonna go in there and say "well no wonder theyre loosing their ass here....philly sucks"

on another note. i hear the phillies got a 100mph fastballer this year.....dat true? if so, way cool. cant wait to see him throw.

 

[atcloser]

so what about new york approach?

btw, i agree with the post before about AA pilots deviating around weather. it gets pretty insane when every other a/c in the sky will fly through level 1 and AA needs to go 45 miles out of his way to get around a cell. good point about southwest descending too...lets throw in all the asian carriers on that one too, oh and "speed"bird!

 

[dmspilot00]

btw, i agree with the post before about AA pilots deviating around weather. it gets pretty insane when every other a/c in the sky will fly through level 1 and AA needs to go 45 miles out of his way to get around a cell.

Maybe it is because of the Little Rock crash in 1999 (AA1420)?

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0UBT/6_14/59459333/p1/article.jhtml

 

[sqwkvfr]

Well, they do have one approach guy, 'the whisperer', who does a good job. He's funny to listen to.

"The whisperer" RULES!!! From what I understand, he's been around for a long time, and he does fine work.

 

[EagleRJ]

The amount of distance between the airplane and the thunderstorm is proportional to the amount of animosity between labor and management at that airline.

It's in the FARs.

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

You know what guys and girls, you can bash us controllers all day long. We don't care. Some are excellent, and some cant handle two airplanes. Keep in mind that very shortly the FAA is gonna say screw it, too many retirees, and we have no money to hire, so they are gonna contract. And when they do, its gonna be absolutly chaotic. There will be loss of seration all day long, and more then likely alot of close calls and maybe even a few planes banging together. Keep in mind also that alot of you out there that think your hot **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** cause you fly 121, that your really a bunch of freaking idiots...not all of you, but on a daily basis i get my fare share of idiots. I had a part 135 carrier yesterday call in and I told him to report a 5 mile final cause I was busy and didn't have a whole lot of time to be watching the radar to sequence this idiot so the 5 mile call would have given me ample time to sequence him properly...No 5 mile call was ever made....so...i saw him on a 3 mile final, sequenced a few behind him, never gave the guy a landing clearence....when he landed i asked to report his position.....A, sir im on runway14...."oh, i must have missed your 5 mile report." "oh, im sorry i didn't hear you ask for that" "did you hear me give you a landing clearence" "No, i didn't" "then what the hell are you doing on my runway?" Constant, never ending crap all day and all night. So, now its my turn to fire em back

Mesa.....alrighty...Worst airline by far. More runway incursions then anyone. Way to go.
United....as a customer id rather take greyhound.
America West....next inline on runway incursions after mesa...I don't mind flying you guys though.
DELTA....you rock! The only airline i actually go out of my way to fly.....

And all you GA pilots that have like 100 hrs total time, buy your little turbine powerd bonanza's and centiorions, call on a 5 mile final out of 5000ft, get cleared to land and request a 360 cause your too high......get a head of the **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** airplane you idiots..

 

[sqwkvfr]

MOTFLMAO!!!

I can just picture you angrily banging out that message on your keyboard....finally, a chance to vent!!

I'm with ya, though....you couldn't pay me enough to sit in your chair.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Lrjtcaptain,

That was one of the best responses I have ever heard. You had me chuckling a few times.

 

[KingAirKiddo]

You know what guys and girls, you can bash us controllers all day long. We don't care. Some are excellent, and some cant handle two airplanes. Keep in mind that very shortly the FAA is gonna say screw it, too many retirees, and we have no money to hire, so they are gonna contract. And when they do, its gonna be absolutly chaotic. There will be loss of seration all day long, and more then likely alot of close calls and maybe even a few planes banging together. Keep in mind also that alot of you out there that think your hot **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** cause you fly 121, that your really a bunch of freaking idiots...not all of you, but on a daily basis i get my fare share of idiots. I had a part 135 carrier yesterday call in and I told him to report a 5 mile final cause I was busy and didn't have a whole lot of time to be watching the radar to sequence this idiot so the 5 mile call would have given me ample time to sequence him properly...No 5 mile call was ever made....so...i saw him on a 3 mile final, sequenced a few behind him, never gave the guy a landing clearence....when he landed i asked to report his position.....A, sir im on runway14...."oh, i must have missed your 5 mile report." "oh, im sorry i didn't hear you ask for that" "did you hear me give you a landing clearence" "No, i didn't" "then what the hell are you doing on my runway?" Constant, never ending crap all day and all night. So, now its my turn to fire em back

Mesa.....alrighty...Worst airline by far. More runway incursions then anyone. Way to go.
United....as a customer id rather take greyhound.
America West....next inline on runway incursions after mesa...I don't mind flying you guys though.
DELTA....you rock! The only airline i actually go out of my way to fly.....

And all you GA pilots that have like 100 hrs total time, buy your little turbine powerd bonanza's and centiorions, call on a 5 mile final out of 5000ft, get cleared to land and request a 360 cause your too high......get a head of the **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** airplane you idiots..

Careful, Lrjt...you keep getting that worked up and ALL of your hair will fall out Hope all is well out west...take it easy.

KAK

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

chilly, i shave my head so it doesn't have to fall out....
hows Comair? Corey Adams called me the other date with all the usuall stuff.....Deosn't sound like an upgrade for him anytime soon. even though his been an fo for 3 years. SAD SAD. Let me hash alittle about comair while im on the subject.

YOUR CRJ's ARE JUNK!!

im done.

 

[EagleRJ]

Lrjtcaptain

That was hillarious!
Overall, I've seen far more pilots do stupid things than I have controllers. My hat's off to you guys. I could never do what you do.

YOUR CRJ's ARE JUNK!!

Careful!
The RJDC will be on you like a pack of wolves! ;-)

 

[Twotter76]

YOUR CRJ's ARE JUNK!!

Yes they quite possibly are - however here at Air Wisconsin ours are the bestest ever. Really! Now if you ATC types would just stop calling us "Cactus"....

 

[Flyin Tony]

KVCV