What a Crock!!!

[crashpad]

GuppyPuppy is very smart. He eats bran daily and has been to the moon!

 

[WillowRunVortex]

Your input is really appreciated Mr. MEII C-150 flyer.

We're talking about nearly 90,000 employees and their families.

MEII C-150? Wouldnt that qualify him for the 777 CRM Instructor position at UAL?

 

[100LL... Again!]

This is a good example of why the bar is continually being lowered. Idratherfly4283, I'm not flaming you or trying to insult you, but I am just pointing out the obvious here.

You said:

"You guys still make so much more than the average american. You think I am sitting here giving a crap that you are pulling down 200k a year and still can't pay the bills?"

The average pilot typically is far more educated and skilled than the average American. The average pilot has more responsibility than the average American. The average pilot is away from home more than the average American. This is not just an "average job", otherwise every average American would be flocking to it.

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And before you compare pilot salaries to those of the "average American", why don't you also compare education requirements and dues that have to be paid as well.

Clyde - I love ya man as a fellow Bible thumper and conservative, but sadly most of what you are saying is what USED to be true.

The profession failed to keep the bar up in the KNOWLEDGE and SKILL department by failing to police our own ranks.

Therefore, the door was wide open for the poorly skilled and minimally educated "pilots" to slide in and lower the FINANCIAL bar.

ALPA should have gone down to GIA and told those fkrs that they will never fly at an ALPA carrier, for example. We have already hit the iceberg. NOw there is little to do but sit around and listen to the band until the inevitable happens.

 

[Mugs]

How would you like it if the 767 you leased to UAL now costs you money every month instead of earning you money every month? Unless you're one of those Carlton Sheets RE investors who likes to dump cash into rental homes, I don't think anybody would enjoy carrying the company they were once earning money from. Blah Blah Blah...we could go on all day. Enough.

AZT

Blah, Blah --- the first thing you have said yet that makes any sense. If you leased 767s to UAL and were smart, you put your foot down and sent them to parts of the world where the market was willing to pay the rates you demanded. UAL lost 4 767s recently, and then turned around and bought 4 more leased airplanes outright that would otherwise have been sent to Asia or India. The folks leasing 767-300s are doing just fine. The market for that airplane overseas is quite strong.

You really need to work on the examples in your arguments AZT. Independence "holding its own?" Funny I haven't read an article in the WSJ yet to support that. But, maybe you work there and could fill us in with the insider's scoop you picked up at the last kill United pep rally. How you managed to forget AWA's long stay in CH11 (as a much smaller and far less complex company than UAL) before using that example is beyond me. Didn't know about it because you are still popping pimples maybe? Think a little before you spout off.

 

[GuppyPuppy]

Look at another city: MIA. I'm sure UAL also flies into MIA, but ATA/SWA just grabbed ahold of an incentive put up by the airport to lure an LCC to MIA. It's the same in FAT. Hell, Campbell County in WY bought a Metroliner a few years ago for Big Sky to add to their fleet so they would start serving Gillette from Billings and Casper. Of course, GL went into hysterics but this stuff is the only way cities can incite a carrier into town. I'm sure if we look, we'll find UAL also takes money to serve some city somewhere. And remember, we're talking F9's FEEDER carrier here, so if you want to put apples against apples I'm sure that we'll find United
taking money for a route served by one of its many feeders.

I appreciate your response and the fact that we can keep this civil.

From what I've seen it is Frontier, not Horizon, who is getting the revenue guarantee. I don't claim to know what kind of contract Horizon has with F9. I would think that it is a fee-for-departure type contract. I'm not so sure that UAL is getting federal (or local) monies for any of the routes its feeders serve. The individual feeder carrier might be getting money from the Essential Air Service act, which is an entirely different issue.

If a local government wants to entice a business to operate within their jurisdiction, that is their business. I can completely see how competitors would see this practice as unfair. I understand that it is done all the time in the high-tech industry, major league sports and in the airline industry. However, should the FEDERAL government subsidize a company such as Wal-Mart to operate in a town that only has Sears, ACE Hardware and Safeway? I would say let Wal-Mart move in to that town when that town is ready to support it without any federal government help. I would also argue that it should be the same in the airline industry, in this case Frontier from DEN to FAT. Unless FAT was listed as an EAS city, the federal government should keep their nose out of this issue.

As an aside...It puzzles me why so many people bash eachother on these message boards. Calling eachother idiots, etc... is not productive. If we were to fly together and debate this over a few beers at the layover hotel, we would have a good time, an amicable discussion, and wouldn't be calling eachother names.

Cheers!

GP

 

[ultrarunner]

WILL UNITED AND USAIR JUST FUKKING DIE ALREADY?????

Dude, you know that's not the american way. It's much better to keep throwing good money at bad....

they'll self-destruct soon enough. Money won't keep them alive.

 

[vetteracer]

QUOTE
"The profession failed to keep the bar up in the KNOWLEDGE and SKILL department by failing to police our own ranks.

Therefore, the door was wide open for the poorly skilled and minimally educated "pilots" to slide in and lower the FINANCIAL bar.

ALPA should have gone down to GIA and told those fkrs that they will never fly at an ALPA carrier, for example. We have already hit the iceberg. NOw there is little to do but sit around and listen to the band until the inevitable happens."


EXACTLY