Weapons

[Rick1128]

Over the years, I have had the opportunity to carry many different passengers who carry weapons. Very few were personal bodyguards. Those that were, conducted themselves very professionally for the most part. Rambo wannabes don't last too long in that field. All the others were either DOD or law enforcement. Of all the local PD, County Sheriffs, US Marshals, FBI, Bureau of Prisons, Secret Service, etc, the most problems I have ever had was with the Secret Service. Usually attitude. And always WITHOUT a protectee on board.

I have always talked with the weapon carrier prior to boarding the aircraft. I discuss with the private weapon carrier my rules for carrying on my aircraft. One of which is that they never pull their weapon once they are on my aircraft. This also applys to most of the military personnel. With the law enforcement personnel and military security guards, I talk with them about my preferences about their firearms use. 1. it is not pulled when the aircraft door is closed. 2. When the aircraft door is closed they use some other method if at all possible. 3. If it becomes necessary, do NOT shot towards the cockpit. If they do I will be EXTREMELY UNHAPPY.

I also discuss with them what type of ammunition they are using. Each type of round creates different problems in an aircraft.

 

[Senior_Citizen]

..... When the aircraft door is closed they use some other method if at all possible. 3. If it becomes necessary, do NOT shot towards the cockpit. If they do I will be EXTREMELY UNHAPPY.

I also discuss with them what type of ammunition they are using. Each type of round creates different problems in an aircraft.

Wrong aproach, our crews are more clear, no guns on hands or belts when the door is closed, no matter if the holder is a marshall or the presidents bodyguard, when the door is closed all the guns must be stored at the cockpit, we are more relaxed with stunt guns but only for security personel, no pepper gas spay allowed in no way.

It's impossible to think in air security with a gun inside the cabin, no mather if the caliber is .22 the intrinsic danger isn't aceptable.

 

[Rick1128]

Wrong aproach, our crews are more clear, no guns on hands or belts when the door is closed, no matter if the holder is a marshall or the presidents bodyguard, when the door is closed all the guns must be stored at the cockpit, we are more relaxed with stunt guns but only for security personel, no pepper gas spay allowed in no way.

It's impossible to think in air security with a gun inside the cabin, no mather if the caliber is .22 the intrinsic danger isn't aceptable.

It ain't gonna happen! They will not surrender their weapons to anyone, especially a G-D CIVILIAN. I will make it a little clearer. If they are required to do so, they may keep the clip in and a round in the chamber, but the hammer must remain down and the safety(s) ON. Plus the weapon must not be drawn except as a last resort. When not on escort duties, I insist they remove the clip and jack out the chambered round. Except for a couple of cases with members of the USSS Presidential detail (without the President anywhere around),I have never been refused. For the most part the Officers are professionals and act accordingly. In fact a majority of the Private Security Agents I have dealt with are some of the most professional I have dealt with. It must be because they feel they are under closer scrutanty than law enforceemhnt.

 

[semperfido]

I discuss with the private weapon carrier my rules for carrying on my aircraft. One of which is that they never pull their weapon once they are on my aircraft.

i doubt they will give a rat's patooty about your rules once the poopoo hits the fan....but i could be wrong. i doubt they care if you are unhappy either. i know i wouldn't.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Im happiest when armed security leaves them at the steps of the plane and more armed security meets them at the destination.

My concerns are some yahoo ex secret service carrying onboard (to my unknown) then discharging his .45 into his leg (or towards the cockpit) at 30West.

I am by no means anti-gun, I simply see no need for a gun onboard a corporate aircraft. If you are that concerned, you can be met by a small army at your destination for all I care...
Sounds to me like most have the "dont ask dont tell" policy.

 

[FracCapt]

Wrong aproach, our crews are more clear, no guns on hands or belts when the door is closed, no matter if the holder is a marshall or the presidents bodyguard, when the door is closed all the guns must be stored at the cockpit

You tell certain LEO's this, and they will tell you to pound sand. They WILL carry on their person. Most LEO's will NOT give up their weapon to a civilian. PERIOD. If you tell a FAM or a SS to give up their weapon, they will tell you to f#$& off. I only require that if they are carrying a single action auto that they NOT carry 'Cocked and locked'. I have yet to find an LEO on an airplane that is carrying a SA auto, though....so it hasn't been an issue.