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PCL_128

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Moderators, it's time for some answers. Why are TonyC and Chperplt banned or in "limbo" status? This is utterly ridiculous. Neither of these guys has done anything to warrant discipline whatsoever. Banning people without reason is absurd. I think it's time to leave flightinfo for good if the new administration won't answer for this and correct it.
 
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cforst513

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tonyC got banned or is 'limbo' b/c he actually questioned the reasoning of the webmaster (not necessarily the mods) and the webmaster felt threatened. i applaud TonyC for his efforts. he's a good guy and a great contributing member of this board. it's flightinfo's loss, not tony's.
 

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Chperplt(II) is banned for life because the Webmeisterdude banned him for threatening to out 350Driver. When he (Chperplt) PMd the Webmeisterdude and asked him what the heck he was talking about, the Webmeisterdude banned him for life and then said some choice words to him as well.

Chperplt has no desire to come back to this site...
 
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one step ahead of ya... i'm already there
 

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cforst513 said:
one step ahead of ya... i'm already there
As am I. Looks like it's time to say goodbye to flightinfo.
 

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PCL, we're waiting for you over at our new place. Come on over and we're regrouping.
 

Lead Sled

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Note to moderators...

All things in moderation - especially moderating. This is really sophomoric.

'Sled
 

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Careful, Lead Sled. Don't think they won't ban Mother Teresa, too! Now y'all get back to work now, y'heah?
 

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What's the big deal? First off, everything's anonymous in these internet message boards/chat rooms/discussion groups. I don't understand why some people are getting their feelings hurt or otherwise getting offended on here.

How can somebody "threaten" another person over the anonymous internet? Some of the members on here who are wrapped up in the politics of this board remind me of little old ladies bickering over nothing.

Also I don't understand why some people on here get their panties in a wad when they get "banned from this board for life". Remember, this is the internet; why not simply "reincarnate" into somebody new? Hello, McFly!!
 

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CA1900 said:
Careful, Lead Sled. Don't think they won't ban Mother Teresa, too! Now y'all get back to work now, y'heah?
I am hard at work as we speak. We're on a 48 hour layover in Teterboro. Just got back from lunch, our next task will be to decide where we want to go for dinner. However, before I do that I think that I'll take a nap. :p

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Hey guys

As fellow pilots and long-time posters who've given a lot to the success of this board, I'll talk to you as though we're sitting in the back of our favorite bar, and we're having some beers- you're buying, of course.

Let's get right to a couple of names that have been dropped in postings above: TonyC and Chopper Pilot (sorry, I never can get his shorthand right, so I'll have to spell it out longhand). I have a small PM dialog with both gentlemen and enjoy our rapport. For TonyC, he is a registered user at this time, and is free to post at his pleasure. Chopper Pilot (and his descendants) are in the banned category. As I understand, he and the websitemaster got crossways somehow and the websitemaster was threatened with legal action because of it. There you go. I make no judgements about it- there you go. Now, to the larger picture.

As one of my brothers said above, it's only the internet, and there are other posts attempting to bring issues into perspective, but here's really the bottom line: this board started out hoping to become a business, I'm sure. As these things go, it became a labor of love for Mark. It was supported by Mark's partners, who are now the "owners" if you will, of FlightInfo. As supportive to the memory of Mark as they are, this board is STILL a business to them, and as such, the realities of business can't be denied. It costs something to run and should at least have its expenses covered. Right now (and for many years) it isn't covering expenses- it's coming out of someone's pocket, and that pocket is Administrator's and Websitemaster's. Please try and put yourself in their place when you are paying the bills yourself and people are attacking you on the very forum you're paying to support! Think what it must feel like when a person who's been posting for free (and you're paying the freight) threatens you with a lawsuit! I'd be hot- and you would be too.

Gentlemen and ladies, as has been pointed out, this is only the internet and only a forum by, for and about pilots and their interests. Let's keep it simple, shall we? Let's not get wrapped around the axle about things. It is unbelieveable to me the number of threats of legal action about all manner of things that otherwise (I guess) rational human beings threaten to bring about to these guys (and the mods)! Trust me, it happens.

So, I spoke about the business side of this endevor. Sadly, Mark is gone and it eventually has to stand on it's own. And it will. The day to day moderating will now be done by the moderators that you've all grown to know and love:blush:.
But, as unfortunate as some people think it is that we have to have rules, because of the actions of a few, we DO have rules, and we have to inforce them. Here's why:

In order to attract advertisers, we have to do just a couple of things. We have to raise the level of civility on this board. The personal attacks simply have to stop. The links to porn (anything above PG-13) have to stop. Things that could run somebody into legal trouble (posting scab links, "outing" somebody, posting people's names, etc) have to stop. Racist comments, sexist commentsand the like have to stop. Folks, it's not really much more complicated than that. We need to make this place advertiser friendly.

The well-meaning mistakes and miscues of the past are behind us. I want all of the participants on this board to enjoy it to the fullest, but not to the risk of spoiling it for everybody else. If anyone finds that they can't abide by the few, simple things that we ask here, then we all ask that you take your internet business elsewhere. This is one of the top aviation-related sites on the internet, and we can still make it so much more- but we need to help each other.

You've asked for answers. Here are the answers. You've asked for honesty and candor, here it is. I personally ask all of you, as either aviation professionals, or just people who love aviation to use this as another way of enjoying something that we all love. And to take care of it and guard it in the same way.

Thanks for listening,
UAL78




The Administrator and the Websitemaster are going out to find advertisers to support the site. Moderation will be within the rules of the road found on each forum.
 

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UAL78,

Very nice words.

I can assure you that Chperplt did not threaten anything. He merely reminded the new "Flight Info Owner" that he was acting like a baby and should act his age.

He did ask the "Flight Info Owner" for his donations back if he (The owner that is) wouldn't conduct himself like an adult.

Should the "Flight Info Owner" send PMs with nasty language to a member accusing said member of doing something without any proof of that said something??:rolleyes:

Have you or any other Mods viewed any posts from Chperplt or ChperpltII that threatened another member? If they were there, I'm sure someone would have viewed them and would have been able to provide some proof of those accusations.

It's quite obvious that Adolf sided with the antics of 350, TD, SplitS, and Kid C. It was easier for him to get rid of the good guys than to get rid of the problem..

By the way... I did ask Naomi about you..
 
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UAL 78, that was a well written and informative post.


Folks,

I haven't had much of anything to say about this bruhaha, but I'll say this now. This is a private web board. Each an every one of you is an invited guest on this board. Since it's privately owned, I think it's perfectly within the rights of the owners to un-invite whomever they choose, and to set a few rules for said guests. If I don't want to follow said rules, I'm free to leave and fund my own private web board featuring nude, rude, obnoxious, lewd, racist, mean-spirited and crude content. But I'm not into Politics that much.

While I'm no prude, (how long can I keep this up?) and I enjoy a well constructed female form or a truly funny joke as the next guy, I have no problem recognizing my place a a guest on this board. And I have no problem conforming to the owner's and moderators standards of behavior. If I don't like it here, I'm quite free to leave at any time.

Quite frankly, were I a professional pilot, I'd be a bit embarrased by some of the public antics of some of the more outrageous posters. I'd be embarrased that they represent my profession in such a manner.
 

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Something I can't figure out is why this board is so hostile. I belong to several "non-aviation" message boards. On those sites, all of which are MANY times larger than FlightInfo, we know eachother by name, invite members over for dinner, swap equipment and "how-to's", etc. Just one example: I was involved in a serious motorcycle accident last July and the outpouring of support I got from the various motorcycle websites was overwhelming. People offered everything from preparing meals and rebuilding my bike to taking care of my dog. I don't even HAVE a dog.

On FlightInfo the response would've been- "uh, does this mean you guys are hiring?"

As for "lawsuits"- Give me a break! It's a freaking aviation message board. Is Pacific Jet really going to take you to court because someone on the website asserted that they "suck"? Is TDTurbo really going to fly his ice-encrusted 182 over FlightInfo HQ and drop a subpoena because someone said that he and 350driver are lovers? I don't think so.

Remember that old 70's TV commercial of the Native-American guy looking out over the polluted landscape with tears in his eyes? I picture Bobbysanmd coming back here for a visit and doing the same thing.
 
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Maybe I can pull some strings and take a few confessions. I will then grant absolution to all of you who have sinned and we can all start a new.

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HMR said:
Something I can't figure out is why this board is so hostile.
I know what you mean. There are a lot of bitter people here.
 

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back to the rules "This is not for the thin skinned"
 

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Where have I been? I have been on this board for four years and had no idea there was such a political side to this board.

About lawsuits maybe I should sue flightinfo for a worn out keyboard. But seriously you guys do a fantastic job. Let me know when you need donations again.

Simon
 

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HMR said:
As for "lawsuits"- Give me a break! It's a freaking aviation message board. Is Pacific Jet really going to take you to court because someone on the website asserted that they "suck"? Is TDTurbo really going to fly his ice-encrusted 182 over FlightInfo HQ and drop a subpoena because someone said that he and 350driver are lovers? I don't think so.


You would be surprised! You're only incredulous because you're rational. Yes, it happens. This isn't the UK and losers don't have to pony-up for the court and legal fees. It only takes a few knuckleheads to make a fun venture turn into a misadventure. But if you want a break, ok, you got a break.

Be well
UAL78
 

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HMR said:
As for "lawsuits"- Give me a break! It's a freaking aviation message board. Is Pacific Jet really going to take you to court because someone on the website asserted that they "suck"? Is TDTurbo really going to fly his ice-encrusted 182 over FlightInfo HQ and drop a subpoena because someone said that he and 350driver are lovers? I don't think so.
You are wrong. Are you familiar with the avweb.com lawsuit a few years ago? A couple of folks commented on an aviation lawyer, and the lawyer went at them and avweb.com. And I get the impression the lawyer made it hurt. I believe his last name is....
 
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