We all sell our souls to work for a regional

[SkyBoy1981]

At least I'm sophisticated and can actually come up with some fact behind my opinions.

What facts have you presented? I must have missed them. Most of what you post here is merely your opinion, just like the rest of us. The only "facts" that I've seen you post have been relevant to your past experiences with Chautauqua, which while similar still have nothing to do with G0Jets. The fact that you may have gotten screwed doesn't make it okay for others to get screwed too.

Then by your reasoning the fines that Chautauqua was paying to the APA should have been going to United Airlines ALPA then ??? I mean if American's APA shouldn't/didn't care... But obviously they cared by the fact that CHQ has had to cough up millions so far. .

Well, sure they care if they see the chance to fine someone and get $$$ out of it. But do you think APA considered the flying that was actually being done for another legacy carrier to be a threat to their pilots? Of course not...how could it be?

 

[h25b]

What facts have you presented?

Facts:

1. GJ exists by a loophole in the TSA scope language and IS NOT in direct violation. This doesn't make it any better for the TSA pilots, but sorry...

2. GJ pilots ARE NOT SCABS, maybe of questionable professional character, but NOT SCABS...

3. Flying being done by GJ's is additional flying, NOT flying that was being performed by TSA previously. Therefore NO flying has been "outsourced" and NO flying has been stolen/taken away. If you'd like to talk about outsourcing please go speak to a furloughed AA/TWA pilot in regards to the outsourced flying that TSA/CHQ/American Eagle are performing.

4. TSA has never been known as any premier regional airline in terms of working conditions, pay, or equipment. Therefore, those that infer that GJ pilots are willing to sell themselves out is sort of the pot calling the kettle isn't it? If you have a problem with how the airline was created, please refer to Fact #1 above...

Those are the high points, I know there were others but I don't have time right now... Thanks, I'll leave you alone now. But I admire your keeping at it, your remind me of LegacyDriver over on the corporate board.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

But I admire your keeping at it, your remind me of LegacyDriver over on the corporate board.

Oh, c'mon....I would never try to compare the WSCoD to a Gulfstream. There's not even much of an argument to be had there.

 

[millhouse21]

Facts:

1. GJ exists by a loophole in the TSA scope language and IS NOT in direct violation. This doesn't make it any better for the TSA pilots, but sorry...

I say again:

Section 1 Paragraph B. Scope

1. All flying in and for the scheduled revenue passenger service of the company and any wet lease or charter flying presently performed or to be performed in the future by the company, shall be performed by active pilots on the trans states airlines pilot's seniority list and shall be flown in accordance with all the provisions of the employment agreement and applicable amendments thereto between the company and the pilots as represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, International (AFL-CIO).

Paragraph C.

2. The company shall not create or acquire an alter ego to avoid the terms and conditions of the agreement.


So, h25b, where's the loophole?? Present some "facts" please.

 

[h25b]

I say again:

Section 1 Paragraph B. Scope

scheduled revenue passenger service of the company and any wet lease or charter flying presently performed or to be performed in the future by the company,

Paragraph C.

2. The company shall not create or acquire an alter ego to avoid the terms and conditions of the agreement.


So, h25b, where's the loophole?? Present some "facts" please.

As it was explained to me by one of your pilots via PM (excuse me if I have things mixed up a little), management has taken the stance that when referring to "the company" they are referring to Trans States Airlines... GJ's is owned/operated under Trans States Holdings and therefore a separate entity than referred to under the TSA pilots' scope clause. So if your CBA is with Trans States Airlines, unfortunately, you're hosed. It's undoubtably a really chicken $hit way to do business but obviously their & United Airlines legal thinks it's legit...

At least that's how one of your pilots explained it to me...

 

[DO-82 driver]

I'm glad to see h25b is bothering you guys here instead of in the Fractional Forum.... Ever since we reached a TA we haven't heard a peep from him....

Mind you, I'm not complaining...you can keep him...He's a wealth of knowledge.....about what...I have no idea...

Enjoy.

 

[h25b]

I'm glad to see h25b is bothering you guys here instead of in the Fractional Forum.... Ever since we reached a TA we haven't heard a peep from him....

Mind you, I'm not complaining...you can keep him...He's a wealth of knowledge.....about what...I have no idea...

Enjoy.

I'll still be around. When you're accumulating Marriott points there's not much else to do.. Maybe you could explain how well the scab lists threats worked out for your group ??? Might be educational for these regional guys... As long as you're happy with your TA that's all that matters. I hope it goes well for you.

 

[DO-82 driver]

H25B....thank you....

 

[jbDC9]

...but as unionized pilots we ALL have a dog in this fight. G0 Jets pilots may not be scabs but they are low-life scumbags who don't mind taking advancement oportunities from others for themselves and their own personal gain.

Now this little paragraph here I find to be truly hilarious... anyone else see the humor here? It's just kinda funny how all the furloughed and stagnated mainline guys could look at the thousands of RJ drivers out there (ExJet included) and have the exact same thought...

 

[WhiteCloud]

obviously their & United Airlines legal thinks it's legit...

Legit? That's a bit of a stretch. I'm sure they just figured they could get by with it.

 

[h25b]

Legit? That's a bit of a stretch. I'm sure they just figured they could get by with it.

"Legit" was probably a stretch... "Acceptable risk" was likely more appropriate. Doesn't matter, the outcome is still the same...

 

[Machdog1]

Regionals suck!!!! (all of them)

I left the regionals for a 135 job (forced) in a a/c with only 8 seats but almost double the pay then a 50 seater. Listen the whole airline industry sucks right now and in all honesty who knows when it will get better. Listen the 22 year CFI will get a reality check 5 years from now when he knocked up some FA and and he is still a FO making 40,000 grand a year. Living the dream right!! Enough with the GO-jets crap already TSA was bottem feeding too!! They all do it to get what they want. I remember asking to take a pay cut so my pay scale can be closer to what companies like TSA pilots make ( I am a former Fly I pilot). If you are gonna complain about it get out, if not go to netjets or something like that or quit flying. Thats how you change the airline industry. Don't except the pay and the bullsH&*t believe me the regional job is not that great, the only thing I miss is the schedule. Goodluck to all!!!

Sincerely,
Forloughed Twice airline pilot!!

 

[OldManPilot]

How can any of you think you are better then any other regional airline pilot out there including a gooo jet pilot. I worked at Air Wis for little over a year and I felt like a 2nd class citizen. We all should be making more then we do and be living better lives then the regionals afford us.

If you make as little as a new hire Skyway pilot or have as crappy schedules as mesa, who cares? We sold are souls to fly for a regional airline. The fact is with all the training and experience we are required to have no one should accept a job at a regional making $25,000 a year. And now with the right amount of money you don’t even need any experience to fly as a regional pilot (but that’s another sore topic)

Although I don’t agree with the whole gooo jet situation. None of you or me is any better then a gooo jet pilot. So stop your hypocritical rants and grow some balls and quit your crappy regional airline until they pay us a respectable salary.

If no one would accept a job at a regional because of the low pay and bad schedules the schedules would get better and the regionals would have to pay more. So all of you are to blame for the way the regional airlines treat us. None of you are any better then any gooo jet pilot out there. So grow some balls and stop drinking the Alpa Kool-Aid.

It seems that if you feel like a 2nd class citizen because you fly for a regional airline, the problem is not with who you fly for... the problem is within you.
It sounds as if you have a serious self-worth problem. Your animosity toward regional pilots is juvinile and down right silly. Many tend to forget that being hired by ANY 121 carrier is a confomation of ability. Now how you choose to progress is up to you, but there is NOTHING wrong with retireing from a Regional airline.

Happiness comes from within, not from where you work.

 

[geojet707]

Check Please!!