We all sell our souls to work for a regional

[pilotmyf]

Learn to read better. I did quit the airlines.

Must be really bitter at the airlines sporto!!! And, I will work on the reading part.

So how big is the soapbox you are standing on, not even employed by an airline, but you can serve it up like you are. That year at Air Wis. must have given you just enough expertise to rant like the industry expert you are.

 

[BE90flyer]

Nope. Not even close to an expert. But I learned how messed up the airlines are. If this board isnt to rant and rave what is it for? I would say that I hit a sore spot with you. Are you feeling a little blue, down on life? Go a head and call me names. If it makes you feel better I'm all for it.

 

[hoover]

Why are you so bitter? You worked for an airline, didn't like it, and so you quit. You should be happy. If you are not, then I suggest you do your part to drive up pilot wages and quit your job.

 

[tjsatter]

Has Trans States Airlines furloughed ?? Who's job does a GJ pilot take away? To my knowledge no jobs have been taken away and given to anyone. They have just not been added to TSA and instead the flying has been alotted to a new operation. Their collective bargaining agreement hasn't earned them anything, that's the problem. Yeah, it's a loophole but your arguement is disingenuous... The whole thing sucks, but you are no better than anyone. TSA has never been any sort of first class operation. Ever since the whole GJ thing started everyone has started acting like TSA has been this wonderful place to work that is all of a sudden being torn down by this alter-ego. I have to call B.S. on this.

You sir are sort of full of it...

GayJets has screwed me out of an upgrade I should have recieved this past July. The number of Captains over there exceeds my proximity to the top of the upgrade list as of July. There is in excess of $3000/month pay differential I and many others in my class are NOT making. FUK those GJ Mudder-Fukkers. Of course if I had no honor I could be over there myself even now.

You sir, are full of Shiite, Kiss my arse, smegma breath

tj

 

[h25b]

You sir, are full of Shiite, Kiss my arse, smegma breath

Seems like you could use some more time in the right seat to grow up... Funny how things have a way of working out for the best.

 

[A350]

tjsatter:

what you fail to realize is, that without Go Jets, there would be no additonal aircraft flying for TSA......the scope clause of other carriers prevents it. So without the other certificate, there would be no chance to get the bigger jets and certainly no chance to upgrade.

Oh, thats right. No one else's scope means crap except yours.

A350

 

[h25b]

Oh, thats right. No one else's scope means crap except yours.

A350

Yeah, we're all supposed to be "brothers" right up it till a quick upgrade is in jeopardy.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

tjsatter:

what you fail to realize is, that without GJs, there would be no additonal aircraft flying for TSA......the scope clause of other carriers prevents it. So without the other certificate, there would be no chance to get the bigger jets and certainly no chance to upgrade.

Oh, thats right. No one else's scope means crap except yours.

A350

So how does that justify having a seperate seniority list? I mean, thats the real issue here....not the fact that there are two certificates.

As far as scope, G0Jets was created to get around AA scope to do UA 70 seat flying. The AA pilots shouldn't care one way or the other about the scope issue since the flying isn't being done for their company anyway.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Evidently you can't get through a single post without shooting your mouth off. Why don't you slow down your tonsils, pull your head out of the dark hole in which it resides, and read my posts. We're in agreement that your getting screwed, and I have pretty clearly stated that I personally wouldn't have anything to do with going to work at GJ.

It's a low-down, dirty deal what Hulas is doing to you. Hope that makes you feel better...

Actually, you can't get through a single post and actually make a point. You say that you disagree with the G0Jets operation, yet you come on these boards daily and attempt to justify them in every single thread that argues their existance. Personally I think that you're doing nothing more than creating what I would like to call "sophisticated flame bait". You were pretty good at doing that over on the Fractionals board too, but since NJA has a decent TA now I guess that fun is over.

 

[h25b]

Personally I think that you're doing nothing more than creating what I would like to call "sophisticated flame bait".

At least I'm sophisticated and can actually come up with some fact behind my opinions.

By the way, my interests in the whole NJA thing started when those select few idiots started mis-naming scabs as well and if you call 47K for a Falcon 2000 F.O. and having to live in DAL, PBI, TEB, LAX, & CMH by giving up home basing a "decent TA" you're too far gone for me to convince you otherwise. That "fun" is far from over. Santulli is laughing all the way to the bank. I think they got so wrapped up around trying to get the NJI flying they lost track of things.

As far as scope, G0Jets was created to get around AA scope to do UA 70 seat flying. The AA pilots shouldn't care one way or the other about the scope issue since the flying isn't being done for their company anyway.

Then by your reasoning the fines that Chautauqua was paying to the APA should have been going to United Airlines ALPA then ??? I mean if American's APA shouldn't/didn't care... But obviously they cared by the fact that CHQ has had to cough up millions so far.

Give me a break... Now I know how you guys ended up in this situation to begin with, if that's really how you view scope clause language.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

At least I'm sophisticated and can actually come up with some fact behind my opinions.

What facts have you presented? I must have missed them. Most of what you post here is merely your opinion, just like the rest of us. The only "facts" that I've seen you post have been relevant to your past experiences with Chautauqua, which while similar still have nothing to do with G0Jets. The fact that you may have gotten screwed doesn't make it okay for others to get screwed too.

Then by your reasoning the fines that Chautauqua was paying to the APA should have been going to United Airlines ALPA then ??? I mean if American's APA shouldn't/didn't care... But obviously they cared by the fact that CHQ has had to cough up millions so far. .

Well, sure they care if they see the chance to fine someone and get $$$ out of it. But do you think APA considered the flying that was actually being done for another legacy carrier to be a threat to their pilots? Of course not...how could it be?

 

[h25b]

What facts have you presented?

Facts:

1. GJ exists by a loophole in the TSA scope language and IS NOT in direct violation. This doesn't make it any better for the TSA pilots, but sorry...

2. GJ pilots ARE NOT SCABS, maybe of questionable professional character, but NOT SCABS...

3. Flying being done by GJ's is additional flying, NOT flying that was being performed by TSA previously. Therefore NO flying has been "outsourced" and NO flying has been stolen/taken away. If you'd like to talk about outsourcing please go speak to a furloughed AA/TWA pilot in regards to the outsourced flying that TSA/CHQ/American Eagle are performing.

4. TSA has never been known as any premier regional airline in terms of working conditions, pay, or equipment. Therefore, those that infer that GJ pilots are willing to sell themselves out is sort of the pot calling the kettle isn't it? If you have a problem with how the airline was created, please refer to Fact #1 above...

Those are the high points, I know there were others but I don't have time right now... Thanks, I'll leave you alone now. But I admire your keeping at it, your remind me of LegacyDriver over on the corporate board.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

But I admire your keeping at it, your remind me of LegacyDriver over on the corporate board.

Oh, c'mon....I would never try to compare the WSCoD to a Gulfstream. There's not even much of an argument to be had there.

 

[millhouse21]

Facts:

1. GJ exists by a loophole in the TSA scope language and IS NOT in direct violation. This doesn't make it any better for the TSA pilots, but sorry...

I say again:

Section 1 Paragraph B. Scope

1. All flying in and for the scheduled revenue passenger service of the company and any wet lease or charter flying presently performed or to be performed in the future by the company, shall be performed by active pilots on the trans states airlines pilot's seniority list and shall be flown in accordance with all the provisions of the employment agreement and applicable amendments thereto between the company and the pilots as represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, International (AFL-CIO).

Paragraph C.

2. The company shall not create or acquire an alter ego to avoid the terms and conditions of the agreement.


So, h25b, where's the loophole?? Present some "facts" please.

 

[h25b]

I say again:

Section 1 Paragraph B. Scope

scheduled revenue passenger service of the company and any wet lease or charter flying presently performed or to be performed in the future by the company,

Paragraph C.

2. The company shall not create or acquire an alter ego to avoid the terms and conditions of the agreement.


So, h25b, where's the loophole?? Present some "facts" please.

As it was explained to me by one of your pilots via PM (excuse me if I have things mixed up a little), management has taken the stance that when referring to "the company" they are referring to Trans States Airlines... GJ's is owned/operated under Trans States Holdings and therefore a separate entity than referred to under the TSA pilots' scope clause. So if your CBA is with Trans States Airlines, unfortunately, you're hosed. It's undoubtably a really chicken $hit way to do business but obviously their & United Airlines legal thinks it's legit...

At least that's how one of your pilots explained it to me...

 

[DO-82 driver]

I'm glad to see h25b is bothering you guys here instead of in the Fractional Forum.... Ever since we reached a TA we haven't heard a peep from him....

Mind you, I'm not complaining...you can keep him...He's a wealth of knowledge.....about what...I have no idea...

Enjoy.

 

[h25b]

I'm glad to see h25b is bothering you guys here instead of in the Fractional Forum.... Ever since we reached a TA we haven't heard a peep from him....

Mind you, I'm not complaining...you can keep him...He's a wealth of knowledge.....about what...I have no idea...

Enjoy.

I'll still be around. When you're accumulating Marriott points there's not much else to do.. Maybe you could explain how well the scab lists threats worked out for your group ??? Might be educational for these regional guys... As long as you're happy with your TA that's all that matters. I hope it goes well for you.

 

[DO-82 driver]

H25B....thank you....

 

[jbDC9]

...but as unionized pilots we ALL have a dog in this fight. G0 Jets pilots may not be scabs but they are low-life scumbags who don't mind taking advancement oportunities from others for themselves and their own personal gain.

Now this little paragraph here I find to be truly hilarious... anyone else see the humor here? It's just kinda funny how all the furloughed and stagnated mainline guys could look at the thousands of RJ drivers out there (ExJet included) and have the exact same thought...

 

[WhiteCloud]

obviously their & United Airlines legal thinks it's legit...

Legit? That's a bit of a stretch. I'm sure they just figured they could get by with it.