Was relative or DOH rejected by SW/AAI?

[Dan Roman]

A tale of two pilots.

I remember once upon a time. This happened about ten years ago.

One pilot took out a loan and spent his $10,000 on a type rating so he could get an interview at an airline in Dallas. He was really lucky and he got the interview and got hired. It wasn't because he was better it was because of good fortune and he was very happy because he liked his new place of employment. He got his job in 2003 and he is a first officer at a company known as Southwest Airlines.

Another pilot who was equally qualified decided to interview at AirTran and he was also very fortunate to have a job. He got the call and the job and he has been there since. He is a Captain at AirTran and has been for quite some time...

How do you integrate these pilots on a list where both these people feel like it's fair?

It's a tough row to hoe.

But one thing is for sure. The guy who spent $10,000 of his own money and interviewed at SWA, and flew to Dallas from Japan where he was stationed in the AF. Well he showed he was loyal to a brand and made a leap of faith to work at a place where he really wanted to work. Not saying the other guy isn't a good guy or doesn't want to be here. But do you honestly think Gary Kelly thinks they are equals?? Do you think this matters to him?

Gary Kelly made about a million bucks last year with salary and benefits. Someone of his caliber on Wall Street could easily command 10X this. He could quit this crazy industry tomorrow and make bank. But he won't. He does his job because he cares about our company and our culture. The boys in this game need to remember this. This ain't some penny ante poker game. Gary is playing for keeps and he cares about his company.

I am curious, what's the difference between the dedication to buy a 737 type to get a job and someone who goes the Gulfstream route? Some SWA guys seems to be trying to slander Todd O for going that route (Wave made a mistake posting it and admitted it).
My point is what profound ignorance and arrogance it is to slander someone who bought training in an RJ to further their career and than trumpet buying 737 training to further one's career as different or better (and no I am not a SWA hater, just making an observation).

 

[Double Shot]

some of us did not buy our types.

 

[jbDC9]

But one thing is for sure. The guy who spent $10,000 of his own money and interviewed at SWA, and flew to Dallas from Japan where he was stationed in the AF. Well he showed he was loyal to a brand and made a leap of faith to work at a place where he really wanted to work.

Well whoop-de-freakin' do... tell me, how does this nonsense translate into making it okay to hose the other guys??

Why not? Are you really saying that you are better than an AAI pilot? Sounds awful similar to the UAL/Frontier "brain surgeon" attempt at seniority integration.

Yep, from what I've read here, that seems to describe the SWA guys view of things.

 

[SWA/FO]

I've been told my career earnings are worth $8,500,000.00 at Southwest. My type rating, after I was offered "we would like you to continue in the process" phone call by Southwest - cost me $7400.00.

I think, Gulfsteam pays you back the money you paid them, little by little. So you are basically paying yourself, your own cash.

Would you trade $7,400 for 8.5 Million? I did.

 

[GuppyWN]

SW pilots have no desire to "hurt" anyone. Many AT pilots only look at what they think is "fair" for them, not at all realizing the effect on thousands of pilots hired at the airline thats buying them. Just because you earned a "management" position at the corner donut shop does not mean you earned an executive position at Dunkin Donuts when they purchase your company, especially not above current Dunkin employees. To expect it is unrealistic.

 

[Boxboy]

SW pilots have no desire to "hurt" anyone. Many AT pilots only look at what they think is "fair" for them, not at all realizing the effect on thousands of pilots hired at the airline thats buying them. Just because you earned a "management" position at the corner donut shop does not mean you earned an executive position at Dunkin Donuts when they purchase your company, especially not above current Dunkin employees. To expect it is unrealistic.

Staple them all...... niiiiiiiiice! Arrogance is the beginning of downfall.

 

[GuppyWN]

That's not what was said or implied.

If Delta bought Virgin America would the 3 year Virgin America captain deserve to keep his seat ahead of a 15 year Delta FO?

Gup

 

[jbDC9]

Just because you earned something at one employer does not mean you earned it at another. One does not equal the other. The entitlement mentality makes me sick.

SW pilots have no desire to "hurt" anyone. Many AT pilots only look at what they think is "fair" for them, not at all realizing the effect on thousands of pilots hired at the airline thats buying them. Just because you earned a "management" position at the corner donut shop does not mean you earned an executive position at Dunkin Donuts when they purchase your company, especially not above current Dunkin employees. To expect it is unrealistic.

Wow... is this arrogance or ego? Or just plain assholiness? I know that's not a real word, but it sure seems to describe a few of the SWA dudes on here.

That's not what was said or implied.

Soo, what are you saying or implying? From what I've read here it looks like SWA attitude is: ratios, bad! Staples, good!

 

[wood pecker]

Since our guys are gagged by either a gimp or a law I don't know, but I am intrested in hearing the other side.

I thought the only issue was your retirments, our junior CA, and your senior FO not getting pay protected.

Please share and that please is not the sarcastic kind. I want to know your dirty laundry from the previous deal minus the skid marks.

 

[ngsp]

That's not what was said or implied.

If Delta bought Virgin America would the 3 year Virgin America captain deserve to keep his seat ahead of a 15 year Delta FO?

Gup

NO, but he would expect to be a 3 year FO and given credit for his DOH. then let the seats fall where they may. as it is, swapa wants the seats AND for us to go to the back of the line.

i want to work at swa as much as the next guy, but we will remember how we are being treated for a very long time.