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At NetJets, the inventor of fractional-ownership of jets, we also remain the unchallenged leader.
We now operate 487 planes in the U.S. and 135 in Europe, a fleet more than twice the size of that
operated by our three major competitors combined. Because our share of the large-cabin market is
near 90%, our lead in value terms is far greater.
The NetJets brand – with its promise of safety, service and security – grows stronger every year.
Behind this is the passion of one man, Richard Santulli. If you were to pick someone to join you
in a foxhole, you couldn’t do better than Rich. No matter what the obstacles, he just doesn’t stop.
Europe is the best example of how Rich’s tenacity leads to success. For the first ten years we
made little financial progress there, actually running up cumulative losses of $212 million. After
Rich brought Mark Booth on board to run Europe, however, we began to gain traction. Now we
have real momentum, and last year earnings tripled.
In November, our directors met at NetJets headquarters in Columbus and got a look at the
sophisticated operation there. It is responsible for 1,000 or so flights a day in all kinds of weather,
with customers expecting top-notch service. Our directors came away impressed by the facility
and its capabilities – but even more impressed by Rich and his associates.



These increases derived from significantly improved operating results of NetJets, as
well as increases in revenues and earnings for FlightSafety and the inclusion of the results of Business Wire. NetJets’ revenues
in 2006 increased $759 million as compared to 2005 and pre-tax earnings in 2006 were $143 million compared to a pre-tax loss
of $80 million in 2005. In 2006, occupied flight hours increased 19% and average hourly rates increased as well. The
improvement in operating results at NetJets also reflected a substantial decline in the cost of subcontracted flights that were
necessary to meet peak customer demand.
 
At NetJets, the inventor of fractional-ownership of jets, we also remain the unchallenged leader.
We now operate 487 planes in the U.S. and 135 in Europe, a fleet more than twice the size of that
operated by our three major competitors combined. Because our share of the large-cabin market is
near 90%, our lead in value terms is far greater.
The NetJets brand – with its promise of safety, service and security – grows stronger every year.
Behind this is the passion of one man, Richard Santulli. If you were to pick someone to join you
in a foxhole, you couldn’t do better than Rich. No matter what the obstacles, he just doesn’t stop.
Europe is the best example of how Rich’s tenacity leads to success. For the first ten years we
made little financial progress there, actually running up cumulative losses of $212 million. After
Rich brought Mark Booth on board to run Europe, however, we began to gain traction. Now we
have real momentum, and last year earnings tripled.
In November, our directors met at NetJets headquarters in Columbus and got a look at the
sophisticated operation there. It is responsible for 1,000 or so flights a day in all kinds of weather,
with customers expecting top-notch service. Our directors came away impressed by the facility
and its capabilities – but even more impressed by Rich and his associates.



These increases derived from significantly improved operating results of NetJets, as
well as increases in revenues and earnings for FlightSafety and the inclusion of the results of Business Wire. NetJets’ revenues
in 2006 increased $759 million as compared to 2005 and pre-tax earnings in 2006 were $143 million compared to a pre-tax loss
of $80 million in 2005. In 2006, occupied flight hours increased 19% and average hourly rates increased as well. The
improvement in operating results at NetJets also reflected a substantial decline in the cost of subcontracted flights that were
necessary to meet peak customer demand.


One would think with all the union rhetoric and chest beating of all the success at NJ on this board, that a smart man like Warren Buffet would give credit where credit is due.

It sounds more like he is complimenting his management team for overcoming the obstacles. The union being one of those obstacles perhaps as they weren't mentioned?

Not a single word about 1108. I guess Mr. Buffet doesn't consider the union effort worth mentioning, or perhaps it's because it was one of the obstacles that needed to be overcome?

My guess is that 1108 wasn't mentioned because it was the latter. :laugh:
 
One would think with all the union rhetoric and chest beating of all the success at NJ on this board, that a smart man like Warren Buffet would give credit where credit is due.

It sounds more like he is complimenting his management team for overcoming the obstacles. The union being one of those obstacles perhaps as they weren't mentioned?

Not a single word about 1108. I guess Mr. Buffet doesn't consider the union effort worth mentioning, or perhaps it's because it was one of the obstacles that needed to be overcome?

My guess is that 1108 wasn't mentioned because it was the latter. :laugh:


He did mention the union. We are part of NetJets.
 
It doesn't matter if he mentioned us or not..He knows what we can do and as a smart business man, he did what he had to do to make NJA a success.

Have you ever heard Fred Smith thank the FEDEX union for its success.
 
But the union members are mentioned. The "NetJets brand - with its promise of safety, service and security" is provided in large part by the members of 1108 and the union mechanics.
 
It doesn't matter if he mentioned us or not..He knows what we can do and as a smart business man, he did what he had to do to make NJA a success.

Have you ever heard Fred Smith thank the FEDEX union for its success.

excellent point man.

I don't care if he does or doesn't thank the union or me (1 of 2800 pilots) for anything. As long as he continues to pay me well, gives me my benefits and my job doesn't go anywhere, all is good. In return, I'll have the airplane clean and ready for his passengers, and I'll do my best to get'em there safe and on time.
 
2007 was a record year for flight services. Profits were up 49% to a pre-tax record of $547 million.

yep, sounds like destruction to me.

destruciton of my wallet cuz da money cant fit in it......:beer:
 
I've never responded

But B19,

(Well I thought of several things to say, but I'm thankful you don't work where I do)

Whether they say anything about the union or not, who cares?

I'm greatfull to be there, and went there because they had a union and knew what business they were in.

On another note, I had a discussion this week with a fellow Netjets pilot regarding Richard Santoulli.

Mr. Santoulli does not get enough credit for the fantastic job he has done supporting the Military Personnel that work at Netjets, his fantastic support of the Wounded Warriors of our armed forces, and whatever else he has done for our nations soldiers that I don't know about.

I Salute you Mr. Santoulli, and when I see you in person, I will salute you, shake your hand and thank you personally for your support of me and my family while I have been away from Netjets.

One last thought;

B-19 you blubbering ass.... This is how you "hijack a thread"
 
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B19 aka ignorant azz,

it specifically says:

" These increases derived from significantly improved operating results of NetJets."

you think this comes without management and union working together? If your going to make a comment on success, be certain you read the entire thing and not just the areas you want to hear in order to support your weak cause.

strong union + great management X all working together = 547 million.

get it right boy....now get back in your hole.
 
They Will Self Destruct!!!!! Just sit back and enjoy the show!!!


Why would want a group of pilots(your profession) to destruct? Do you really think that it's going to benefit you? Do you think RTS or Buffett are going to go out and find pilots that hate the union and replace us (if we destruct)?

I would guess you hate the union because you have been misinformed about how we do business(NJA).

Since you would like to see us destruct, before you post i want you to sit back and look at your job and then look at ours(I'm very lucky to be here) and compare benefits,work rules,401,and stability of the job. Then ask CS pilots how they feel about us or Flexjet, if they are honest in their answer then they will say that their raise is because of our UNION.

We also have a boss who is NOW willing to work with the UNION and make this place great.

Last, how many of those promises from your boss have come true, if they all have then you have a great job congrats...
 
They Will Self Destruct!!!!! Just sit back and enjoy the show!!!

Our company has been building and refining this business model for 22 years, improving the product, the service, and the efficiency. Profits are growing as a result. I don't see self-destruction happening, because we employees have a vested interest in seeing it thrive.


I'm glad you're happy at Flex; I have friends who work there. I have no ill-will towards you guys; why the sour grapes at us? Did a Netjets guy kick your puppy or something?
 
Why would want a group of pilots(your profession) to destruct? Do you really think that it's going to benefit you? Do you think RTS or Buffett are going to go out and find pilots that hate the union and replace us (if we destruct)?

I would guess you hate the union because you have been misinformed about how we do business(NJA).

Since you would like to see us destruct, before you post i want you to sit back and look at your job and then look at ours(I'm very lucky to be here) and compare benefits,work rules,401,and stability of the job. Then ask CS pilots how they feel about us or Flexjet, if they are honest in their answer then they will say that their raise is because of our UNION.

We also have a boss who is NOW willing to work with the UNION and make this place great.

Last, how many of those promises from your boss have come true, if they all have then you have a great job congrats...


B19 dosent hate unions, He is Paid to hate unions
 
Having recently retired from the military, I've always wondered why some in the aviation industry believe that in order for unions to be successful, it always has to be at the expense of the company. Granted the airline industry doesn't have the greatest track record, but I put SWA and NJA as two examples of how union and management have come together to create a successful organization.
 
Not a single word about 1108. I guess Mr. Buffet doesn't consider the union effort worth mentioning, or perhaps it's because it was one of the obstacles that needed to be overcome?

Nice try but Buffett comments on the company performance (profit or loss), future plans and the head guy.

Anything else, including Unionized Labor, gets into the territory of day-to-day operations. He never comments on that.

The guy we like to hear from about the effects of the Union on the bottom line is Richard T. Santulli. He said last year, "I think the Union is great. It's made me alot of money ever since we all started working together."

That's all I care about in regards to your "inquiry". Have a great day 19. Better try next time.
 
Nice try but Buffett comments on the company performance (profit or loss), future plans and the head guy.

Anything else, including Unionized Labor, gets into the territory of day-to-day operations. He never comments on that.

The guy we like to hear from about the effects of the Union on the bottom line is Richard T. Santulli. He said last year, "I think the Union is great. It's made me alot of money ever since we all started working together."

That's all I care about in regards to your "inquiry". Have a great day 19. Better try next time.

Only 2 years ago, he stated:

"Mr. Santulli, the chairman and chief executive of NetJets, who agreed to telephone interviews, had a more colorful observation of his company's problems in 2005 — induced, he said, by haggling over a new pilots' contract, increasing and budget-busting demands on its domestic fleet, and a number of continuing problems in its efforts to build a European presence:
"It was horrible, horrible," Mr. Santulli said. "I was embarrassed."

And as soon as there is a shift in the economics and the union doesn't work with him, he will echo these words once again.
 
B19,
What you have just said is simply more proof that the union can help or hurt the company. If we're all moving in the same direction(and that is the way we're headed) then things work very well. I'm not saying that we're all sitting around a camp fire singing kumbuyah, but things are definitely moving in the right direction.
 
Only 2 years ago, he stated:

"Mr. Santulli, the chairman and chief executive of NetJets, who agreed to telephone interviews, had a more colorful observation of his company's problems in 2005 — induced, he said, by haggling over a new pilots' contract, increasing and budget-busting demands on its domestic fleet, and a number of continuing problems in its efforts to build a European presence:
"It was horrible, horrible," Mr. Santulli said. "I was embarrassed."

And as soon as there is a shift in the economics and the union doesn't work with him, he will echo these words once again.

So, he was embarrassed that he let the company degenerate into that state. I can understand his embarrassment. I think he soon got over it when he discovered what a group of motivated pilots and a charismatic, powerful leader (RTS) can accomplish. Now look at us as we move forward together to a much more prosperous future for everyone concerned.

Just another example of B19 taking an isolated sound bite from a larger piece and twisting it to meet an agenda. Just to set the record straight, this article came out in June of '06 and here is the whole quote from RTS:

Mr. Santulli, the chairman and chief executive of NetJets, who agreed to telephone interviews, had a more colorful observation of his company's problems in 2005 — induced, he said, by haggling over a new pilots' contract, increasing and budget-busting demands on its domestic fleet, and a number of continuing problems in its efforts to build a European presence: "It was horrible, horrible," Mr. Santulli said. "I was embarrassed."
Still, ever the optimist, he also said he saw clearer skies ahead. "We will have an excellent year and we will make money this year," he said. "We have the critical mass we need."


Correct me if I'm wrong, but NJ had a pretty good year in '06. Oh, yea, in '07 too.

C'mon B19, you have to do better than that.
 
Having recently retired from the military, I've always wondered why some in the aviation industry believe that in order for unions to be successful, it always has to be at the expense of the company. Granted the airline industry doesn't have the greatest track record, but I put SWA and NJA as two examples of how union and management have come together to create a successful organization.[/quote
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Need anyone say more??



B19, have you not heard this said before, or are you simply refusing to realize this is not your papa's management/labor relationship?

SIGH!!!!!!






 
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Only 2 years ago, he stated:

"Mr. Santulli, the chairman and chief executive of NetJets, who agreed to telephone interviews, had a more colorful observation of his company's problems in 2005 — induced, he said, by haggling over a new pilots' contract, increasing and budget-busting demands on its domestic fleet, and a number of continuing problems in its efforts to build a European presence:
"It was horrible, horrible," Mr. Santulli said. "I was embarrassed."

And as soon as there is a shift in the economics and the union doesn't work with him, he will echo these words once again.

Yes. He said that 3 years ago. Much has changed in 3 years including paradigm shift in labor/management interaction, collaboration and interaction.

As I've said many times, what we accomplished here at NetJets by working together has never been done in aviation and rarely in Corporate America.

Don't hate the player. Hate the game B19.
 
Glad things are going good for you guys at net jets.
 
Thanks, H2! With the pay raise announcement at CS hopefully that means that the practice of underpaying pilots will be given the boot at other frac companies, too.

CALR, I just can't resist pointing out that you might consider using spell-checker next time you mention ignorance ..hint, hint. :p
Note that comment has two "m"s...;)
 
The reason NetJets is now profitable is that finally the NJA pilots are behaving like professional pilots instead of like professional union thugs. I am very happy about this, but for the union pilots to congratulate themselves for not misbehaving is disengenuous to say the least. In my opinion.
 
The reason NetJets is now profitable is that finally the NJA pilots are behaving like professional pilots instead of like professional union thugs. I am very happy about this, but for the union pilots to congratulate themselves for not misbehaving is disengenuous to say the least. In my opinion.


G4dude, You obviously have it all backwards as the NJA pilots were only acting as Management was treating them, so once Management decided to treat and respect the pilots like the true professionals they are, the pilots proudly returned the favor.
 

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