Wall Street airline selloff

[SWA Bubba]

Uh-oh....SNAP....

Bubba used the word "entitlements"! The catch phrase of the False news channel around 8pm.

Social security is not an entitlement.
Corn subsidies to farmers...isn't that entitlements
Oil research subsidies to companies printing cash in the basement...is that an entitlement?
Defense spending for yesterday's war like another aircraft carrier....is that a Lockheed entitlement?

Welfare is a problem but not as bad as the Old fat white men want us to believe.

Now you're starting to act like Wave--just deflecting! And it's you whose using "catch-phrases" and talking points, just like Wave. Long on rhetoric, and short on actual, real-world examples. But to answer your "accusations" that I'm just parroting anybody:

-- Corn subsidies to farmers.... Who says I'm for that? I'm not, especially the whole ethanol group. It's a waste, because it takes more energy to bring corn to produce the energy added when you put ethanol in gas, than it would to use just all gas. Stupid special interests, because it makes people think it's more "green," when in fact, it is less.

-- Oil research subsidies.... Again, I'm not for it (they certainly don't need the money), but I would point out that one single year's subsidies to President Obama's personal friends and contributors' solar programs equals 50 friggin' years of the subsidies given to oil companies. Oh yeah, and by the way, those companies are all now bankrupt and gone, produced nothing, and represent a return on investment of exactly zero. Great investment by our president, but it was a nice bennie to his friends.

-- Defense spending.... It's not up to me, so I suppose I'll defer to the people who know the best--the military. Both parties force them to buy weapons that they say they don't need (pork for their district), and I'm all for fixing that. For that matter, pork in general.

None of those are "entitlements," in that they're not going to individuals. Social Security, on the other hand, IS an entitlement. Not sure why you say it isn't. People are obviously getting more out of it than they put into it; otherwise it would be making money. In fact, since employers match every contribution made by workers, they're taking out more than twice what they put in. The biggest problem here is fake disability. It's so easy to do, it's creating an incentive to not work, and just claim a disability. More and more every year. How long will that last?

I'm not sure why you think it isn't a problem Bill, since as of this year 49.1% of individuals get some personal entitlement from the government. And that percentage rises every year. Eventually, there won't be enough money to pay all that, no matter how much you tax the "rich" people (including yourself)!

You should do a little research before you spout off next time, Bill. You know?

Bubba

 

[redflyer65]

Why is it that we hear about Social Security and Medicaid becoming insolvent, but not food stamps and welfare?

I love the liberal talking points of 'oil industry subsides'. As though they are different that other businesses. They aren't. They operate under the same rules of all other businesses that get tax breaks, but for some reason they get singled out.

Bill,

The big difference between Social Security and Welfare is this...the first group paid into a fund, the second didn't. But yet all we hear about is how Social Security is bankrupt. Why is that?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Inflation...plain and simple

 

[maru657]

Welfare? Entitlements? Your entire career is based on entitlement. An airline career is rarely a private sector position. Feel free to continue supporting labor busting politicians but the reason you or any other major can never strike again is that no one respects a picket line construed of republicans. I mean, that's why the wingnuts and teabaggers can't do comedy, they can't understand the concept of hypocrisy.

 

[Crash Pad]

Looks like the airline selloff has ended.

Did it end because of entitlements or oil subsidies? The 100 troops we sent to save Iraq? Dick Cheney article? Corn subsidies? Inflation? Obama, Bush, Clinton?

 

[SWA Bubba]

Welfare? Entitlements? Your entire career is based on entitlement. An airline career is rarely a private sector position. Feel free to continue supporting labor busting politicians but the reason you or any other major can never strike again is that no one respects a picket line construed of republicans. I mean, that's why the wingnuts and teabaggers can't do comedy, they can't understand the concept of hypocrisy.

Thanks for your contribution, Maru.

As usual, you said.... absolutely nothing. At least, nothing that anyone understands.

Bubba

 

[sstearns2]

What? We pull out of Iraq and the bad guys come flooding back in. Say it isn't so. Never saw that one coming.

We pulled our US troops out and sent our arab army in. This is part of the plan.

Scott

 

[waveflyer]

Well, Bill was wrong about taxes (saying that effective tax rate is not going up when in fact, it has and is), so I'm not sure what else he wants to add. You keep telling me how much money your business makes, so that you pay more taxes than me. Okay,.... so what? I agree that if you make more, then you should pay more. But just because you don't have a problem with the Democrats' tax policies doesn't mean squat to those of us who do. Are you really saying that because you're happy with it, that everyone else should be?

You're mixing issues here, but yes, in general, I resent my taxes going up, given the debt. But that's mainly because of why the debt is going up. I resent being forced to pay more taxes to repay the irresponsible and excessive spending by this administration, especially in the entitlements area. Twenty-five years ago, less than 30% of Americans received entitlements from the federal government. Today, that number is over 49.1% and climbing. Why is that Wave? Could it be the left promises this money to secure votes? When will that end, and how long do you suppose that steady increase is sustainable?

And no, I don't think the debt will magically disappear, regardless of my tax burden. It will only disappear when the federal government stops promising and spending so friggin' much money. And no matter how much I and others are taxed, the debt will never disappear with the type of administration we have now. As they see more tax income, they invariably spend more. Never mind that they're still spending much more than they're taking in.

I also resent my tax burden increasing, while half of all working Americans pay exactly zero federal income tax, or even get money back from the IRS after paying nothing. Essentially, my taxes are increased to subsidize their lives, all in the name of garnering their votes for liberal politicians. If you really want to talk "fairness," then everybody should pay something.

And I'm not sure how it always happens, but once again you've turned a thread with an unrelated comment about the President's ability (or lack thereof, according to Ty Webb) into something completely different--a forum for your generalized left-wing talking points. You're always long on sound bites, but short on specifics.

Bubba

P.S. I realize you probably won't read all this, because you've already explained your short attention span, but I figured I'd give it a shot.

I just fall asleep about halfway through your posts- if you would actually add some content, you know- say something different instead of taking three paragraphs to say what you could in one-

Plus I got bored when a guy says "this" administration is responsible for the debt.

Obama all by himself?
Ideological much?

And it doesn't matter- do we pay our debts or not? Do we pass along a crushing tax burden to our children, or take responsibility for our own partisanship, our own decisions, realize that both parties don't appreciate the other side's massive debts and PAY IT!

Your own lifestyle is inflated given the current situation- you and hundreds of millions of others-

To blame Obama for trying to get more revenue in isn't a critique, it just shows your irresponsibility on the issue.

No new taxes is the most dangerous idea to have made it to the forefront of American politics, especially given your protection of the super rich over your own burden. Love how some of our tax loops have been closed, but the very wealthy have held into theirs
That's some good logic there-

Don't worry though bubba, you'll pay more taxes, but it'll trickle down to you.

(Btw- my income has varied wildly, but I continue to pay roughly the same effective tax rate- sounds like you just don't have a good tax man)

 

[SWA Bubba]

I just fall asleep about halfway through your posts- if you would actually add some content, you know- say something different instead of taking three paragraphs to say what you could in one-

Plus I got bored when a guy says "this" administration is responsible for the debt.

Obama all by himself?
Ideological much?

And it doesn't matter- do we pay our debts or not? Do we pass along a crushing tax burden to our children, or take responsibility for our own partisanship, our own decisions, realize that both parties don't appreciate the other side's massive debts and PAY IT!

Your own lifestyle is inflated given the current situation- you and hundreds of millions of others-

To blame Obama for trying to get more revenue in isn't a critique, it just shows your irresponsibility on the issue.

No new taxes is the most dangerous idea to have made it to the forefront of American politics, especially given your protection of the super rich over your own burden. Love how some of our tax loops have been closed, but the very wealthy have held into theirs
That's some good logic there-

Don't worry though bubba, you'll pay more taxes, but it'll trickle down to you.

(Btw- my income has varied wildly, but I continue to pay roughly the same effective tax rate- sounds like you just don't have a good tax man)

Well, thanks for actually reading something, but if you're not going to address what I actually said, instead of going off on your personal talking points, then perhaps you should start a new thread.

-- I never said that "this administration is responsible for our debt." Never said that Obama was responsible "all by himself." But I suppose that by framing it that way, you get to make your ideological stand. We had a large and stupid debt already when he took office, but his administration DID triple it, and so far shows no sign of letting up. That was my point--he's not helping at all; he's making it far worse.

-- I also never said that it shouldn't be paid through citizens' taxes. Obviously it should and must. I was saying that this President's taxation policies aren't fair, and what he's done won't make any difference, since he spends more than even the increased taxation can bring in. I would be happy to help pay down our debt, if that's what increased taxes would actually do. We need to rein in our spending, because there's absolutely no level of taxation whatsoever that can cover this spending and buy down our debt.

-- And the other thing was the inherent unfairness in our tax scheme. The fact that half of our workers pay zero taxes (and some get rebates on top of not paying) is not fair. It's especially galling when Democrats buy votes to stay in power by using my taxes to subsidize this, and then tell me that I'm not paying enough. It's easy to get someone to vote for you, when you promise to give them some of someone else's money.

-- Finally, with decreased deductions and higher marginal tax rates, plus added-on "surcharge" tax rates, and other increased taxes hidden in Obamacare, there's no way you can stay at the same effective tax rate without cheating. And if you HAVE stayed at the same effective tax rate, then you're cheating the government, and not doing "your part" to help, according to the President.

Anyway, how about addressing what I actually said, instead of just giving your soapbox speech again about why the Democrats are the best. You might also address how the percentage of Americans receiving entitlements from the federal government has risen from 30% to 50% in the last twenty years, and is still climbing, and how you think that could possibly be sustainable.

Or not.

Bubba

 

[redflyer65]

Back on topic,

I haven't sold any of my airline stocks. A small blip on the radar as far as I'm concerned.

Here's what I hold....LUV, DAL, AAL, ALK, and SAVE. The are all up and I think there's more upside to go.

 

[waveflyer]

Well, thanks for actually reading something, but if you're not going to address what I actually said, instead of going off on your personal talking points, then perhaps you should start a new thread.

-- I never said that "this administration is responsible for our debt."

I resent being forced to pay more taxes to repay the irresponsible and excessive spending by this administration, especially in the entitlements area. )

Never said that Obama was responsible "all by himself." But I suppose that by framing it that way, you get to make your ideological stand. We had a large and stupid debt already when he took office, but his administration DID triple it, and so far shows no sign of letting up. That was my point--he's not helping at all; he's making it far worse.
was Obama at fault for an economy that was heading toward an almost certain depression? You do know that the spending we did staved that off. And it did. The bailouts worked. I resent them, but they worked.
-- I also never said that it shouldn't be paid through citizens' taxes. Obviously it should and must. I was saying that this President's taxation policies aren't fair, who said life was "fair"? Are you a child? and what he's done won't make any difference, it's made a huge difference bc we have a steamrolling economy again and not digging out of a depression-since he spends more than even the increased taxation can bring in. I would be happy to help pay down our debt, if that's what increased taxes would actually do. We need to rein in our spending, because there's absolutely no level of taxation whatsoever that can cover this spending and buy down our debt. a- I don't believe you want to decrease spending. I think you want to decrease the spending YOU don't like. Guess what? So would everybody

-- And the other thing was the inherent unfairness in our tax scheme. The fact that half of our workers pay zero taxes (and some get rebates on top of not paying) is not fair. again with the kindergarten "fair"? Really? You're an adult? I wish everyone had my work ethic? I wish everyone felt a spiritual responsibility to our communities nation and world- I wish people did good and weren't prone to drugs or alcoholism- i wish my daughter could really have a unicorn for a best friend and sleep on a pot of gold near a rainbow. I wish a LOT of things for this world- the deal you've lived under your entire life has been that if you make more, you pay more- YOUR ENTIRE LIFE BUBBA-somehow that's not fair now that you're making a little bit of money?? Your taxes are free handed into our contract by market forces - don't pretend that you'd be making the same amount of money if you paid no taxes. We also do not make our money in a void- if productive people are paying little to no taxes, maybe they have a bit of money to spend on airline tickets? Maybe? Do you understand systemic economics- macro issues? It's especially galling when Democrats buy votes to stay in power by using my taxes to subsidize this, republicans don't BUY votes? Are you dumb or as ideologically mired as I've accused you of being? and then tell me that I'm not paying enough. It's easy to get someone to vote for you, when you promise to give them some of someone else's money.

-- Finally, with decreased deductions and higher marginal tax rates, plus added-on "surcharge" tax rates, and other increased taxes hidden in Obamacare, there's no way you can stay at the same effective tax rate without cheating. And if you HAVE stayed at the same effective tax rate, then you're cheating the government, and not doing "your part" to help, according to the President.
i pay exactly what I owe and still submit you need a new tax man-... Or make better choices with your money-
Anyway, how about addressing what I actually said, (was my quote good enough to prove you actually said it?)instead of just giving your soapbox speech again about why the Democrats are the best. the best, right now, OUT OF TWO. That's the problem with republicans- you don't see how you guys suck- democrats are more than familiar with the failings of our party- that's not newsYou might also address how the percentage of Americans receiving entitlements from the federal government has risen from 30% to 50% in the last twenty years, and is still climbing, and how you think that could possibly be sustainable.
I don't think it is- but you'd scream obama's a dictator if he did what this country actually needs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3BHujm3cpY
Or not.

Bubba

"Life's not FAIR!!!!"- Bubba

 

[maru657]

This administration did NOT triple the US debt. They inherited a runaway train, expedited by a wingnut impulse to, as a wingnut said "to spend the country so deeply into dept that they can get rid of all of the socialist programs, like social security, public schools etc". It will take 20 years to repair all of the damage. Things like rebuilding the VA hospital system and paying off these wars.

 

[SWA Bubba]

"Life's not FAIR!!!!"- Bubba

I tell you, Wave, arguing with you is like arguing with a third-grader: you bounce all over the place, picking and choosing places to make your ideological statements. Here's a short recap of literally how the argument has actually gone in this thread:

Ty Webb: "The President is making himself look as inept as Carter with his international policies."
Wave: "Yeah? Well you're an idiot because you're an airline pilot and don't vote for Democrats."
Bubba: "Huh? What's that got to do with anything? Besides a lot of airline pilots don't vote for Democrats because they don't do anymore for us than Republicans, plus they keep raising our taxes."
Bill Lumberg: "They're not really raising your tax rate; you just made more."
Bubba: "No, Bill, they actually raised my tax rates in numerous, tangible ways." <explains how>
Wave: "Well, I pay more than you, so you should shut up. Besides, you shouldn't resent paying more taxes, we need to pay off our debt."
Bubba: "What? I agree we should pay off our debt, but we need to stop spending so much first. And what I said was that I resent my taxes increasing just so that more others need not pay anything at all."
Wave: "Awww... Bubba doesn't like that it's not fair! Nanny-nanny-boo-boo!"

I'm going to go out on a limb here, Wave, and say that you were probably never on any kind of debate team when you were in school. Your habit of jumping around from subject to subject reminds me of a puppy, yapping and bouncing, chasing a laser pointer. It's exhausting.

Bubba

 

[waveflyer]

It's my thread bubba
Try and keep up

 

[SWA Bubba]

"Life's not FAIR!!!!"- Bubba

And another thing...

Well, no sh1t, Wave; everyone knows life's not fair. However, it's the Democrats who tend to use this phrase, as in people like us aren't paying "their fair share" of taxes. "Fair" as in 'you people need to pay more, so that half the people don't have to pay anything.'

And while I realize that you don't read most of the posts that you reply to, I have to point out that you blindly missed this, since this seems to be a big theme in your rants against me or anyone else who isn't lock-step with the left: Despite your claims, I have always maintained that if you make more money, then you should pay more taxes. Obviously, that's true. I embrace that idea, Wave. Stop pretending that I don't. However, my problem is with the half that pay zero. Everyone who works should pay... something.

And it didn't used to be this way. There used to be a lot fewer workers who fell into this category, and a lot smaller percentage of Americans who were on the federal dole. And increasing these numbers every year to support the left's idea of "fairness," not to mention to garner votes, is not sustainable, and will eventually lead to the complete bankruptcy of this country. And you don't seem to realize or care about this.

What's the Democrat answer to all this?

Bubba