Virgin Awarded Love Field Gates

[scoreboardII]

Anyone catch Sir Richards commercial where he calls VA "HIS" airline. Anyone see any problem with that? Hint hint.....

 

[Tomct]

Actually Scarlet, those prices are just the beginning! First Class is selling out like hotcakes (at high ticket prices) and the prices will be healthy for both airlines. Of course, SWA won't be able to compete with our level of service, but its all good.

Competition is good for all, right?

 

[Flyer1015]

How long will they last running a loss everyday?

49.00 fares to SFO/LAX/ORD//MDW/DCA/New York? From AA, United, SWA, Spirit?

Where is Legend?

You just went on the Virgin website and saw the $49 fare on the front page and assumed it was for DAL? No, that was a special fare for LAX-LAS. The cheapest DAL started at was $79 and those sold out. Try searching the prices now for Oct-Dec out of DAL.

 

[Flyer1015]

And why is American involved at all again?

Something doesn't sound right.

Because AA has long-term leases on those two gates from the city of Dallas, and the DOJ says that to meet the terms of divesture, AA can sublease the two gates out to VX. Contractually speaking, there isn't much the city of Dallas can do to stop a sublease because that's already a contractual provision they signed with AA's lease agreement. The initial denial was because AA tried to just transfer the lease agreement in its entirety. But now that the DOJ has stated AA can sublease to VX and still be in compliance with the DOJ divesture requirements, the city doesn't really have much legal grounds to deny it.

 

[redflyer65]

And that's not a true divesture is it?

AA picking who they sub-lease to? Give me a break. AA should be completely gone at Love, but in one last 'stick it to SW', they get together with a former AA executive to help each other out. See the idiocy?

I'm not worried about VA at Love because in the end, I don't think they will do very well. SW will undercut their price on every departure to every city, every day. One thing is for sure, it will be interesting to watch.

 

[Flyer1015]

And that's not a true divesture is it?

AA picking who they sub-lease to? Give me a break. AA should be completely gone at Love, but in one last 'stick it to SW', they get together with a former AA executive to help each other out. See the idiocy?

I'm not worried about VA at Love because in the end, I don't think they will do very well. SW will undercut their price on every departure to every city, every day. One thing is for sure, it will be interesting to watch.

The sublease to VX for the two gate is through 2028. According to the DOJ this sublease satisfies their goals of divestures and opening competition to the LCCs. Sorry, but SWA is not a LCC anymore.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

And that's not a true divesture is it?

AA picking who they sub-lease to? Give me a break. AA should be completely gone at Love, but in one last 'stick it to SW', they get together with a former AA executive to help each other out. See the idiocy?

I'm not worried about VA at Love because in the end, I don't think they will do very well. SW will undercut their price on every departure to every city, every day. One thing is for sure, it will be interesting to watch.

Will be a bit of a shock to your financial system, considering SWA's average fares out of DAL have risen 37% in the last 6 yrs.

 

[scoreboardII]

Actually Scarlet, those prices are just the beginning! First Class is selling out like hotcakes (at high ticket prices) and the prices will be healthy for both airlines. Of course, SWA won't be able to compete with our level of service, but its all good.

Competition is good for all, right?

Yes, competition is good. So when will your airline turn a profit without the need for cash inflows from brother Richard?

 

[redflyer65]

Like I said, it won't be a big deal for SW.

Buck,

You might want to do a little more homework. SW is already lower than VA prices out of DFW. For SW to lower it even more will create an even more stark contrast. Throw in some extra FF miles on those legs and you get the picture.

Up 37% in 6 years? You mean like the price of oil?

 

[Flyer1015]

Like I said, it won't be a big deal for SW.

Buck,

You might want to do a little more homework. SW is already lower than VA prices out of DFW. For SW to lower it even more will create an even more stark contrast. Throw in some extra FF miles on those legs and you get the picture.

Up 37% in 6 years? You mean like the price of oil?

That's when you throw in the two checked bags and the change ticket fee? Pretty unfair comparison. Just because those things are free at SWA doesn't mean everyone checks in two bags and changes their tickets every time.


Why doesn't SWA have any schedules published for Love Field to DCA/LGA? It would be nice to see exactly what they are proposing. In fact SWA doesn't even have their flight schedules available for booking beyond Oct 31st. Is this common? Most airlines can go out 10-11 months in advance.

 

[vixin]

That is common for SWA.

 

[redflyer65]

In fact SWA doesn't even have their flight schedules available for booking beyond Oct 31st. Is this common? Most airlines can go out 10-11 months in advance.

Usually SW can be booked for the same time period, but they've been slow to list farther out than Oct.31st this year because of two big events just beyond that.

Flying non-stop to/from Love throughout the system, and
Adding more international destinations in the Fall.

Bookings beyond Oct should be out shortly.

 

[Tomct]

We look forward to your Southern Hospitality at Luv.

And Scoreboard, we already turned a yearly profit for 2013, good to see you pay attention. It's only going to get better on the cash flow front, especially with IPO coming this year.

Now onto getting ALPA on the property and getting other things going in the right direction.

 

[HDA]

Like I said, it won't be a big deal for SW.

Buck,

You might want to do a little more homework. SW is already lower than VA prices out of DFW. For SW to lower it even more will create an even more stark contrast. Throw in some extra FF miles on those legs and you get the picture.

Up 37% in 6 years? You mean like the price of oil?

Stage lengths are not comparable.....there is nothing that SWA flies out of DAL that compares to VAs flights to the west coast. Of course SWA looks better. You should do your homework a little better and not just quote from a consultants report. And what was SWA doing when oil was selling at record highs in 2008? Selling 19$ tickets out of Denver to try and kill off Frontier. You should really be more careful throwing things around inside your glass house.

 

[scoreboardII]

Stage lengths are not comparable.....there is nothing that SWA flies out of DAL that compares to VAs flights to the west coast. Of course SWA looks better. QUOTE]YGBFSM.

SWA DAL-LAX 11 May, there are 21 departures, 1/3rd of which are sold out. The schedule is similar to every other West Coast destination.
Fares start at $228.

VA DFW-LAX, same day only 6 flights. Fare starts at $422.

 

[Tomct]

Stage lengths are not comparable.....there is nothing that SWA flies out of DAL that compares to VAs flights to the west coast. Of course SWA looks better. QUOTE]YGBFSM.

SWA DAL-LAX 11 May, there are 21 departures, 1/3rd of which are sold out. The schedule is similar to every other West Coast destination.
Fares start at $228.

VA DFW-LAX, same day only 6 flights. Fare starts at $422.

Yep, and our flights will sell out as well. So WHO is the stupid one? Both airlines are going to make money, Virgin is going to give the people of down town Dallas what they want....CHOICES for First Class and Fantastic service or the Southwest side of the coin. Either way, Virgin will do very well there as will SWA. It's a win/win.

 

[Flopgut]

VX guys: You've got nothing yet. GK is no doubt working some angle on the DOJ story and reminding AC (city manager) of what SWA expects. It is not good that the answer didn't come yesterday. Good link with interesting posts at the end:

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/...d-gates-were-all-waiting-for-a-decision.html/

 

[HDA]

Stage lengths are not comparable.....there is nothing that SWA flies out of DAL that compares to VAs flights to the west coast. Of course SWA looks better. QUOTE]YGBFSM.

SWA DAL-LAX 11 May, there are 21 departures, 1/3rd of which are sold out. The schedule is similar to every other West Coast destination.
Fares start at $228.

VA DFW-LAX, same day only 6 flights. Fare starts at $422.

Not the same.....a nonstop flight is much more desirable than stopping in ABQ for an hour or so unless you want to get some green chile chicken stew on your way to LA. I would imagine that there are some flights that take 2 stops to get you there! So there really is not a comparison until Southwest can post their fares for a non stop flight to LAX/SFO. I bet they are gonna be about the same as Virgin America. Look at the seats for sale on Virgin America DAL-LAX in November.

 

[N1atEcon]

I enjoy reading the VX "we're kicking butt and wait for our ipo" posts. In your entire existance you have made what SWA made in two weeks last year. I hope you get the gates but I think it is a blunder on your part.
I also think GK is going to make VA pay dearly for those city pairs.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

Like I said, it won't be a big deal for SW.

Buck,

You might want to do a little more homework. SW is already lower than VA prices out of DFW. For SW to lower it even more will create an even more stark contrast. Throw in some extra FF miles on those legs and you get the picture.

Up 37% in 6 years? You mean like the price of oil?

Here's what i was loosely citing (reality is actually stronger toward the 'gouging/monopoly' argument);

The impact of Southwest?s DAL monopoly is already in effect: An August 2013 study conducted by Massachusetts Institute of Technology researchers found that of airports in its size class, DAL had the largest increase in average fares from 2007-2012 ? a 37% jump.[1]

--article from Terry Maxon; dallas news business section.

Nothing new, I suppose..you get a veritable monopoly in a market and you start really soaking your consumers (because you can/they have no alternative). Utility companies do it all the time. NWA did it in the MSP market for decades.