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Not only slots... Where are the planes coming from? Are you guys reducing frequency elsewhere?

1 new A320 delivery in March. It will be used for those new April flights. Plus, there is a little frequency reduction from JFK and IAD (I think 1 less each day depending on the day of the week).



The largetst problem I see for VA is that route structure. I'm just not sure how you capture much market share when you are trying to fly everyone to SFO and LAX. With the reduction in future aircraft, I just don't see the route map getting any better.
Agreed. I think we'll be seeing some changes for 2013. Point-to-point would be nice, flying from cities we already fly to. Especially for the winter season, we should go north to south (ORD, JFK, BOS, IAD, PHL, etc down to DFW, MCO, FLL).
 
Especially for the winter season, we should go north to south (ORD, JFK, BOS, IAD, PHL, etc down to DFW, MCO, FLL).


Gotta paint your planes blue before you do that ;)

Also you were correct previously stating the slots will come from AA as well as the gate space:

http://www.panynj.gov/press-room/press-item.cfm?headLine_id=1723

Virgin America, a low-cost carrier with limited service in the New York metropolitan area, will take over aircraft slot rights at Newark Liberty from American, whose parent company is currently reorganizing under bankruptcy protection. Virgin America will have sufficient slots to offer six daily flights to Los Angeles and San Francisco starting next year. The arrangement is in accordance with a Federal Aviation Administration mandate to increase competition at Newark Liberty.

Im quite surprised that AA gave the slots to VX considering B6 has also shown interest in growing EWR.
 
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Gotta paint your planes blue before you do that ;)

Also you were correct previously stating the slots will come from AA as well as the gate space:

http://www.panynj.gov/press-room/press-item.cfm?headLine_id=1723



Im quite surprised that AA gave the slots to VX considering B6 has also shown interest in growing EWR.

How are you surprised? VX is full of AA executives (ex). More decisions are probably made on a golf course between Cush, Carty, and current AA management than we realize.
 
How are you surprised? VX is full of AA executives (ex). More decisions are probably made on a golf course between Cush, Carty, and current AA management than we realize.


When I think of VX I think of Branson and all of the 'AA/BA no way' crap. He is probably just a public relations figurehead of the organization, and the true deal makers are the ex-AA people.
 
Yeah, I remember ATA opening the SFO-EWR route about 6 months before filing for bankruptcy. "Honest growth, coast to coast" was the marketing gimmick on that. Continental flooded the new routes with additional seats and ATA was out of that city pair in months.
 
That was before EWR went slot controled in '08 I believe. They can still move stuff around but why bother. The O&D between the pairings are quite high. A couple hundred passengers one way or another isn't gonna make that big of a diff. And from a pricing stand point I don't see us dropping the floor too low. The CEO wante this route to obtain maturity in less than a year.
 
When I think of VX I think of Branson and all of the 'AA/BA no way' crap. He is probably just a public relations figurehead of the organization, and the true deal makers are the ex-AA people.

He still owns and has a controlling share of VX up to the maximum allowed by law for both counts.
 
That was before EWR went slot controled in '08 I believe. They can still move stuff around but why bother. The O&D between the pairings are quite high. A couple hundred passengers one way or another isn't gonna make that big of a diff. And from a pricing stand point I don't see us dropping the floor too low. The CEO wante this route to obtain maturity in less than a year.

I think it is naive to presume UA will simply ignore an incursion into their core market. So far legacy airlines have refrained from getting into damaging fare wars, but they've also refrained from incurring on each other's hubs. VX has little ability to hurt UA on this market but UA can seriously hurt VX by increasing capacity with larger airplanes and dropping the price.
 
I think it is naive to presume UA will simply ignore an incursion into their core market. So far legacy airlines have refrained from getting into damaging fare wars, but they've also refrained from incurring on each other's hubs. VX has little ability to hurt UA on this market but UA can seriously hurt VX by increasing capacity with larger airplanes and dropping the price.

I doubt anyone is "naive" -- you're just reciting typical Legacy playbook... what else is new? This cr@p hasn't changed since People's... But, whatever, they don't see it coming -- about as laughable as your financial analysis on the other thread.
 
I doubt anyone is "naive" -- you're just reciting typical Legacy playbook... what else is new? This cr@p hasn't changed since People's... But, whatever, they don't see it coming -- about as laughable as your financial analysis on the other thread.

I honestly have no idea what point you are trying to make. Are you drunk?
 
I honestly have no idea what point you are trying to make. Are you drunk?

nevermind...
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and since FI allows me to continue to edit...

Unless you are new to aviation, you must know that the aforementioned legacy play is not new, it is the same tactic Lorenzo used against People's Express in Newark. (are you drunk?) << I would just guess it's expected.>>

In the other concurrent thread you said:
Huh.

The first and only time Virgin America reported a quarterly profit was in the 3rd quarter of 2010. Until they show a real profit, their financial situation is deteriorating, not improving.

When Southwest airlines was formed and almost immediately went public in 1971 they offered 650,000 shares at $11 a share. That's $7.1 million market capitalization, which pretty handily covered their startup expenses for their 3 airplane operation. I don't think you want to make a comparison there.

Nobody has claimed a company never went public when carrying debt. That would be an absurd claim. I think someone claimed no company ever had a successful IPO while so deeply in the hole. I think that's probably a valid claim. Debt doesn't just magically go away in an IPO, the IPO would have to raise enough money to pay it off and also fund future growth. In this case we are talking about in the range of over $1 billion dollars (cue Dr. Evil finger gesture). Their operation is too small to support such a valuation. Delta airlines, currently the most valuable airline in the US in terms of market capitalization, is hugely profitable, is valued over $8 billion dollars, and flies roughly 250 *billion* airline seat miles annually. Virgin America flies roughly 10 billion airline seat miles. It's only 4 percent of the size of Delta, so there's no way they're 12% of the value particularly when they can't make dime one.

^^^^^^
(first paragraph is true IMO)

1. Learn what market cap is. (hint, it's not value)
2. Learn what "Enterprise Value" is.
3. Figure out what Delta's EV is... then, figure out what Delta's debt is.
4. Look at their cash and cash equivalents. Assess how their EV was derived.
5. Take a look at say... LUV... compare their market cap to their EV (given cash and debt, etc.).

You started with "Huh" -- I should have figured that was a statement of fact.
 
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UAL just announced changes to its schedules:

EWR-LAX changed from 6x to 14x daily flights
EWR-SFO changed from 7x to 16x daily flights

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UAL just announced changes to its schedules:

EWR-LAX changed from 6x to 14x daily flights
EWR-SFO changed from 7x to 16x daily flights

41-6G%2BGkKGL._SX500_.jpg

Someone just woke the sleeping giant. May the best value win.
 
Someone just woke the sleeping giant. May the best value win.

Value is enough to win a battle, but you have to be the biggest dog on the block to survive the war.
 

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