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Wiskey Driver

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In the court documents usappy asks a local court for a TRO to stop jumpseat denials not only from the west but from other carriers as well. Can you believe the nerve of these clowns to ask a local court to FORCE DAL, NWA, SWA, UAL pilots etc to take them in your jumpseats. I can't stop laughing:laugh:

WD.
 
another excellent example of USAPA attempting to set positive precedent for our profession...challenging captain's authority in court. They'll be able to add that to their resume of setting the piloting profession back even further. Just what we all need.
 
I hope that's all BS. If it's not, then USAPA is just diggin' its hole even deeper. It won't be very wise to wear that USAPA pin on the lapel.
 
I don't have a link but I've read the actual pleadings. It's very real and will be considered by the judge this Friday. If somebody is industrious enough to search it's case number 3 :8-cv-00246, US District Court, Western District of North Carolina, Charlotte Division, Judge Martin Reidinger.

And BTW, the judge will consider the defendents' Motion to Dismiss at 0900 this Friday before considering the TRO.
 
Here is a cut and paste from the TRO. You will notice that USAPA it trying to take away the captains authority for jumpseats FROM EVERY COMMERCIAL OPERATOR IN THE USA. See Item Number 3

That's right, USAPA thinks it can force UAL, SWA CAL, AAA...........captains to take then in the jumpseat.


This is absolutely mind blowing. After this gets out I'm sure it will be even worse for their commuters.

WHEREFORE, Plaintiff prays that this Court grant its Motions for Temporary Restraining Order and Preliminary Injunction, and:
I. Issue a Declaratory Judgment that the actions complained of herein are unlawful, and;
II. Issue a Temporary Restraining Order, lasting in duration from the date of the Order until the earlier of either ten (10) days from the Order or until a hearing upon Plaintiff’s Motion for a Preliminary Injunction is held, that orders all Defendants, and any of their officers, agents, or employees, be prohibited from the acts listed in ¶ III below, and;
III. Issue a Preliminary Injunction, the same to be made permanent on final judgment, that orders all Defendants, and any of their officers, agents, or employees, be prohibited from the following acts:
1. From making, sending, or causing to be sent telephone calls to any of USAPA’s telephone numbers, including or any "Safety Hotline" telephone
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number, that are frivolous in quality or quantity, or that are knowingly false, or that needlessly contain indecent and profane language, and that are either intended to, or have the effect of, imposing burden and cost on the resources of said telephone lines or on USAPA;

2. From making, sending, or causing to be sent e-mails or other electronic transmissions to any USAPA or USAPA officer’s e-mail addresses that are frivolous in quality or quantity, or that are knowingly false, or that needlessly contain indecent and profane language, and that are either intended to, or have the effect of, imposing burden and cost on the resources of said USAPA or its officers;

3. From denying, conspiring to deny, or instigating denial of, access to "jump seats" on aircraft operated by any commercial carrier because of suspected membership in, or support of, USAPA, or status as an "East pilot," or because of any pretextual excuse to hide such anti-USAPA animus, or animus against East pilots;

4. From conveying or communicating personal threats of retaliation against the safety of individual pilot-employees of US Airways, or engaging in telephonic or other unlawful harassment, in order to prevent, deter or intimidate them from paying membership dues to USAPA or from paying non-membership agency fees required by law;

5. From making, sending, or causing to be sent e-mails using altered e-mail addresses falsely attributed to be, or appear nearly identical to, e-mail addresses employed by USAPA officers;

6. From causing or arranging USAPA officer’s e-mail addresses to be subscribed to internet web or e-mail subscriptions, whether of an adult nature or not, without their knowledge and permission;

7. From sending, or causing to be sent, injurious articles or other nonmailable matter to USAPA or USAPA’s officers through the U.S. Postal Service, or deceptive use of the U.S. Mail in order to impose, or which has the effect of imposing, unnecessary costs on USAPA, or from other unlawful abuse of the U.S. Postal Service designed to sabotage USAPA’s operations.

8. From taking, or conspiring to take, concerted action designed to tortiously interfere with US Airways’ contractual obligations to USAPA under Section 29 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, provided that no party shall be enjoined from filing an appropriate grievance under the contractual grievance procedures



Note to every flight crew in America. USAPA thinks they can run your airline into the ground also. They believe that YOUR jumpseat is THEIR god given right. They think they have the ability to tell YOU who can and cannot fly on your jumpseat. UNFRIGGING BELIEVABLE!!
 
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No dog in the Airways fight, BUT...

Right, wrong or whatever...USAPA certainly is a tenacious bunch.

I remember on FI when people said USAPA would never see the light of day...the 'easties' were 'grasping for straws'.

USAPA is now a reality.

Then people said USAPA would never get enough votes to vote ALPA out...

ALPA is now history at LCC.

Now people are left with saying USAPA won't be able to change the Nic Award...

...that remains to be seen, but right now USAPA's batting a thousand.

Just an observation.
 
USAPA had better reconsider the potential for trying to influence who another carrier allows on its own jumpseat.

Looks like they are blinded by rage at AWA and Nic. TC
 
...that remains to be seen, but right now USAPA's batting a thousand.

What exactly do you mean by "batting a thousand"? It doesn't appear they've done anything but use their numbers and anti-ALPA sentiment to vote out ALPA, no great feat there. But what have they done to help ALL the US pilots?

I wouldn't say they're batting a thousand. They've grabbed the bat and continue swinging at everything that comes past them.
 
What exactly do you mean by "batting a thousand"?

I'm just being literal here..so again, I don't have a dog in the fight.

What I mean is...

USAPA said they would create their own union..they did.

USAPA said they would replace ALPA at LCC...they did.

That's what I mean by 'batting a thousand'.


As far as them changing Nic...I think it would be foolish to count it out at this point. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if these guys put together their own financial backing and bought the airline.

Hence the term tenacious.
 
Disinformation Warning!

In the court documents usappy asks a local court for a TRO to stop jumpseat denials not only from the west but from other carriers as well. Can you believe the nerve of these clowns to ask a local court to FORCE DAL, NWA, SWA, UAL pilots etc to take them in your jumpseats. I can't stop laughing:laugh:

WD.

Back up a second and go read the TRO. It's cut and pasted here in another thread...though the list of defendants is omitted in the cut and paste. My guess is that the defendants are the airline formerly known as America West.

One of the points, III if I recall correctly is ordering the defendants not to interfere with the jumpseat travel of the East pilots on US Airways or any other airline.

The verbage is egregious to the extreme but it is not telling other airlines Captians who to let on, it is telling the defendants (yeah, them guys from PHX) not to frack with the guys from the east when they are just trying to a) get to work like the rest of us, or b) (and more importantly) just trying to go home like the rest of us.

I'm not Airways, don't have a dog in this fight. But the Airways guys have always been helpful when I was trying to get somewhere and I don't like them being accused of that which is not.
 
This denying jumpseats is a bunch of crap. There is no way making political statements with the jumpseat will benefit anyone. All eligible pilots welcome on mine.
 
Its probably more of a safety issue since this group of pilots has been so combative with the Senority issues. My bet is most passengers and crew just dont want them on the flight deck since they are obviously very disgruntled individuals to begin with. Its really a shame that they still have not learned to move on and accept the future for what it is.

We are in a crisis economically with oil and this is one of the last things that anyone wants. If one of these individuals were to occupy a jumpseat and use the opportunity to spew their views on senority it could make for a very distracting flight.

Lets hope they grow up and accept their seniority as it was decided in May 2007 during binding arbitration. Enough is enough and its time to move on and all work together in a safe environment.
 
From my own perspective...if your carrier is on our approved list ( and US airways is...) You are welcome on my Jumpseat...
 

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