USAPA's Illegal Job Action Causing Pilot Terminations.

[charlie2]

There's nothing about PBS that's intrinsically more efficient, it's just a tool to create a monthly schedule from individual trips rather than having to choose from company-created months. The programming that PBS follows is where efficiency may derive. For instance, PBS can be programmed to allow conflict bidding. Realistically no airline would allow for that but the point is PBS is an easier way for pilots to exercise their seniority to get the best possible schedule before having to deal with trip trading. That's the reason so many pilots prefer it to line-bidding.

I know we have our differances but I think everyone would have to agree that if management really wants something it may not be good for pilots. If PBS isn't more efficient (needing fewer pilots) than why does management want it so badly?

 

[TWA Dude]

If PBS isn't more efficient (needing fewer pilots) than why does management want it so badly?

Because they know they'll get the efficiencies they want from a pilot group with no leverage.

 

[charlie2]

Because they know they'll get the efficiencies they want from a pilot group with no leverage.

Yes it is more efficient. We finally agree!

 

[Bringupthebird]

If management doesn't get PBS they will take the value of it out of other areas and USLOPA doesn't have the leverage to do a thing about it. Why would you pay dearly for something that will not cost you anything? Ask your reps that question (if they even take questions).

 

[LearLove]

FWIW - I'd be more willing to entertain the idea of PBS if management including a guarantee of no reductions as a result.

 

[get2flyin]

fwiw - i'd be more willing to entertain the idea of pbs if management including a guarantee of no reductions as a result.

Stop being reasonable!

 

[charlie2]

FWIW - I'd be more willing to entertain the idea of PBS if management including a guarantee of no reductions as a result.

Me too but they haven't offered it...why? Exactly.

 

[charlie2]

If management doesn't get PBS they will take the value of it out of other areas and USLOPA doesn't have the leverage to do a thing about it. Why would you pay dearly for something that will not cost you anything? Ask your reps that question (if they even take questions).

What's the "value" to management?

 

[cactusboy53]

Thanks for posting that. It may be a great tool for you west guys but for us it would be too painful to implement...meaning furloughs.

No matter what system you use to bid (paper, PBS, etc.), the trips constructed must be flown by someone. I disagree with the senior :erm: NAC negotiators: PBS DOES NOT MEAN FEWER PILOT JOBS. Someone still has to do the work created by the company.

When I was hired at AWA, PBS just started. We hired like gangbusters! If we vote in PBS and make sure that we have minimum fleet and hours addressed.....NO FURLOUGHS. If we really got with the program and stopped trying to dodge the Nicolau (be still my heart), maybe management might have time to work on growth & development plans (since they won't have to worry about who is wearing what lanyard).

Chuck; you're a sharp guy.....stop buying into ALL of the USAPA bull-honkey.

 

[cactusboy53]

Here is one FO that responded to my request. He stated that it was important for him to work Sun-Wed every week:

LINE: LH 289 FO **************************************************
PHX 320 Aug 2011 from 08/ 1 to 08/31 2011

Date Trip Check-in Flight(City) Layover Release Block Credit
---- -------- --------- ------------------- ------- -------- ------- -------
M 1 C/I
T 2 C/I
W 3 C/I We 19:15 1801 1802
T 4
F 5
S 6
S 7 8296 20:50 PHX 0689(EWR) 1101
M 8 " 0497(CLT)-0497(DEN) 15:38
T 9 " 0073(PHX)-0269(SMF)
" -0268(PHX) Tu 21:17 15:43 15:45
W 10
T 11
F 12
S 13
S 14 8824 21:55 PHX 0258(PHL) 13:22
M 15 " 0430(LAS) 11:52
T 16 " 0603(PHX)-0571(MCO) 10:50
W 17 " 0303(CLT)-0303(PHX) We 14:29 20:56 2100
T 18
F 19
S 20
S 21 8820 21:40 PHX 0258(PHL) 10:53
M 22 " 0074(SEA) 1307
T 23 " 0534(CLT) 17:19
W 24 " 0399(LAS)-0609(PHX) We 17:58 2109 2109
T 25
F 26
S 27
S 28 8138 800 PHX 0325(GDL) 15:52
M 29 " 0324(PHX)-0231(DTW) 14:32
T 30 " 0472(PHX) Tu 9:24 13:58 15:45
W 31
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

TAFB : 295:28 Excess Credit: 000
Total Calendar Days Off : 14 Total Block : 89:47
Credit Range : [7800 9200] Total Credit : 91:41
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Type of Line Desired:
Desire Regular Line

No Fly List:

Other options:
Accept a 24 hr period instead of 1 calendar day: NO
Request training if eligible: NO
Accept same day report after a late release: NO
Accept to sell days off: NO
Request long call reserve line: NO

Selected GDs:

Conditional bids:
GRANTED LEVEL BIDS


Regular Line Bids:
OCC. SCORE BIDS
1.00 40.0 40 pts Desire Sat Off Sa 06 AUG 02:30-Su 07 AUG 02:29
1.00 40.0 40 pts Desire Sat Off Sa 13 AUG 02:30-Su 14 AUG 02:29
1.00 40.0 40 pts Desire Sat Off Sa 20 AUG 02:30-Su 21 AUG 02:29
1.00 40.0 40 pts Desire Sat Off Sa 27 AUG 02:30-Su 28 AUG 02:29
-0.00 0.0 40 pts Avoid Sat Work Sa 03 SEP 02:30-Su 04 SEP 02:29
-0.00 0.0 40 pts Avoid Sat Work Sa 10 SEP 02:30-Su 11 SEP 02:29
-0.00 0.0 20 pts Avoid Breaks less than 2 days (score by day)
73.65 957.5 13 pts Desire Credit Time
-230.72 -692.2 3 pts Avoid TAFB (Time Away From Base)

Total 425.3