USAPA wins appeal!!!!!!

[Fast43]

I don't think it was right to put widebody captains and FOs on the top of the list. I don't think a widebody FO is a higher position than a narrowbody captain. The higher number of retirements should have been accounted for, though I think that's one reason Nicolau put all the widebody pilots on the top of the list, and not just the captains.

Should the list have come out more favorable to the East pilots? Probably. Is it far enough out of line to discount the whole arbitration process? No.

The bottom line is you are setting up a situation where the future of merging seniority lists is that the pilots coming from the smaller airline will be voted out of their rightful place on the list by the larger pilot group.[/QUOTE]


We have a winner............

usapa is so nearsighted that they fail to understand the stage they are setting for a Merger with an larger carrier. If the larger group doesn't like the Arbitrated list that is at least guaranteed based on the McCaskill-Bond law, they will just toss it and do what they want.

Fast

 

[johnnyb]

Don't look now but many of those same Alpa Gravy train boys are now running your union..........


Majority Rules is tempered with the constraint, A union cannot advance the Majority at the expense of the Minority.

Fast

Name 3 - better yet just name the position they hold in the Union.

As for the latter, a union most certainly can advance the Majority at the expense of the minority - proven true with every furlough.

 

[Fast43]

Name 3 - better yet just name the position they hold in the Union.

As for the latter, a union most certainly can advance the Majority at the expense of the minority - proven true with every furlough.

Parella..............grievance chairman then and now.........getting a nice stipend and 85 hours on an A/C she wishes she could hold.

cleary...............Bos Mec..............first order of business as prez........give himself a stipend every month.

Mowery D..................Merger Com.


Certainly you realize it is the company that furloughs pilots and not the union. What does that have to do with usapa negotiating for a goal that advances the Majority at the expense of the Minority.


Fast

 

[BeCareful!]

Parella's pay is in accordance with ALPA's LOA 95. I don't like it, but they cannot pick and choose what parts of the contract they abide by. The provisions of LOA 95 are not being pursued in negotiations, so that will be dropped in the next contract.

What you said about Cleary is a lie.

The only problem with your theory about the Majority "advancing" at the expense of the Minority is: where are we starting from? You guys have the idea that the nic is already in place, so anything other than that is some kind of "loss" for you. It's kinda sad to see you guys imagining that list is in use, and guaging your tremendous loss based on that totally hypothetical, totally unfounded fantasy.

The reality is you fly a small fleet of narrow bodies out of PHX just like you did before the merger. After we truly merge, you'll have access to a much bigger network with trans Atlantic flying if you like, or, alternately, you'll enjoy protection from the larger, more senior group raiding your western base. This a gain, not a loss. We aren't taking anything from you, only enhancing your careers. That's what's happening in the real world, not the Internet play ground of FI.com, where AWA pilots are playing widebody captains in their dreams (maybe on Flight Sim).

Best wishes.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Parella's pay is in accordance with ALPA's LOA 95. I don't like it, but they cannot pick and choose what parts of the contract they abide by.

Hold the phone! ALPA is gone, buddy. USAPA doesn't have to abide by any of ALPA's old dirty laundry, right? You know "New sheriff in town" and all that BS.

Go back to the picking and choosing part, that was hysterical!

 

[BeCareful!]

Hold the phone! ALPA is gone, buddy. USAPA doesn't have to abide by any of ALPA's old dirty laundry, right? You know "New sheriff in town" and all that BS.

Go back to the picking and choosing part, that was hysterical!

The only hysterical thing here is your ignorance. Sean Hannity would be proud of ya, though; that was some cheap rhetoric right in line with his shtick. What part of the contract is USAPA not complying with? In fact, what has USAPA done that wasn't completely in compliance with RLA, federal laws, labor laws, etc....? Didn't you just spend, like, $1.8 million finding out? (I think you still owe some money on that tab, don't cha?)

"New sheriff in town?" And all that BS? That's obviously your BS. It has nothing to do with reality.

 

[TWA Dude]

We aren't taking anything from you, only enhancing your careers.

Well golly, why didn't either the arbitrator nor two pilot neutrals notice that? They stated "... [FONT=&quot]US Airways pilots had more to [/FONT][FONT=&quot]gain from the merger than their new colleagues." The merger (and not the AWA pilots) [/FONT]greatly enhanced the East careers. As you've noticed, however, since the merger the West has suffered furloughs and stagnation while the East has recalled and enjoyed upgrades. So absolutely positively you do NOT intend to enhance our careers. You only wish to rebuild yours off our backs. Do not insult our intelligence by stating otherwise.

 

[eaglesview]

Well golly, why didn't either the arbitrator nor two pilot neutrals notice that? They stated "... [FONT=&quot]US Airways pilots had more to [/FONT][FONT=&quot]gain from the merger than their new colleagues." The merger (and not the AWA pilots) [/FONT]greatly enhanced the East careers. As you've noticed, however, since the merger the West has suffered furloughs and stagnation while the East has recalled and enjoyed upgrades. So absolutely positively you do NOT intend to enhance our careers. You only wish to rebuild yours off our backs. Do not insult our intelligence by stating otherwise.

Hello, the apologist here!! That is the problem!! The East has no motivation to complete the merger. Their careers (upgrade potential) are better if they are left to themselves. IMO until that is addressed there will be no peace.

OK go ahead call me names.

 

[becket]

George Nicolau's list was inane. The 9th circuit verified it.

The only thing the 9th verified was the fact that if the company was dumb enough, and if your majority ratified a DOH contract, you'd be nailed to a wall "unquestionably".

That's not much of a win. You're going to be on lOA 93 for years....indefinately actually. The West is locked and loaded, you're fake union isn't going to get away with jack ******************** except maintain their position as the laughing stock of the industry.

The clock has been reset two years ago...USAPA promising something they now KNOW they can't deliver. Congratulations.

 

[BeCareful!]

Hey bucket....mark my words: you're wrong.