USAPA & USA Today Ad

[Colonel Savage]

You have a comprehension problem or something?

By "something" do you mean, for example, a mild case of autism or other inability to "connect the dots"?

Everytime someone has something new to post , you seem to need some sort of further clarification.

By "clarification" I assume you mean to clear up any ambiguities or vague references. In that case the answer is "yes".

Why don't you take what the person says at face value?

I do, after any needed "clarification" is obtained.

Ah,the intial stages of Alzaheimers claims another unfortunate victim.

Just to clarify, are you refering to yourself?

Must be very hot out there. You seem cranky.

 

[meanstreak]

A friend on the West side told me 2 A330 pilots were fired recently because they left the apu running on a transatlantic flight, is it true?


Also had a East pilot on my jumpseat a few weeks ago and he told me he starts both engines for taxi everytime. He also told me he leaves the apu on once in a while. I didn't want to create a hostile enviremont but I though he was an idiot. Fuel is so expensive and some of these guys just want to make the company hurt.

 

[PCL_128]

This issue has nothing to do with seniority.

xxxxxxx is about nothing but a seniority grab.

But I guess someone with your moral character would not know the difference.

Coming from an Eastie, I take that as a compliment.

 

[becket]

It was an average of 2500 pounds of fuel over the course of a trans Atlantic flight.
That works out to 7-10 minutes of fuel in the 330 and a little more in the 76.

Do you still have issues with the fuel or are you still to filled with hate that the East wont let you order the fuel in that 330 for a few more years.
You can hate the East til the cows come home, but if you cant put that aside when management does something like this, (using the training dept as a hammer), or see the repercussions that this stunt would do to all airline pilots, I dont believe there is any hope.
You dont have to hate the East any less to not support management telling the Captain how much fuel he is allowed to have.

More typically myopic B.S. from the east. Now, all of the sudden, Captains authority is sacred? I love how you guys select what you believe on an ever changing, day to day basis. What about the jumpseat? Surely you remember your union crying to a federal judge, under the ridiculous auspice of RICO predicates, to remove all captains authority to disallow a jumpseater.

Hypocrite. You guys have zero integrity and you can shove your self satisfied moral compass up your well worn A... I find your concern for "all airline pilots" to be laughable. USAPA is nothing but a cancer on this profession and supporting that IMO, is worse than crossing a picket line.

And yes, I do hate you MFers. Also, for the record, I fully support management against anything that harms/weakens the East. Hopefully, those 8 blue hairs are made an example of and terminated.

 

[Metrojet]

FR8,

In theory, I'd agree that bringing someone into training for adding fuel is BS....BUT, when we regularly see East A/C all over the system burning both engines and the APU on taxi out/in and USAPA espousing 'contract negotiations mode', it's hard for us to keep our suspicions at bay that fuel is being intentionally wasted.

It is even harder for us to get behind the call to arms to defend Captain's Authority considering USAPA attempted to remove Captain's Authority from control of the jumpseat via a restraining order. The hypocricy of the current outrage is ripe.

I would be much more concerned with your 'union's' willingness to spend 100k+ to sue AWA pilots and another 100k+ to put an ad in the USA Today while the company is actively attempting to furlough large numbers from both sides.

Current top priorities for other real unions are fighting tooth and nail to mitigate furloughs by any and all means necessary. USAPA has publically stated that they believe the furloughs are a negotiation move by the company. In the meantime, they've become consumed with attacking/threatening the west over dues money, passing resolutions on gear pin usage and appointing themselves the 'defenders' of captain's authority while systematically ignoring the pressing needs of the majority of the pilot group. USAPA is a total joke.

PositiveRate -

Would you say that a top priority for a "real union" is to get equal pay for equal work? So why is it that one part of the pilot group makes 15% more than the other group - and the group that makes more has done nothing to correct that when we all work for the same airline?

Metrojet

 

[Deadalus]

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Would you say that a top priority for a "real union" is to get equal pay for equal work? So why is it that one part of the pilot group makes 15% more than the other group - and the group that makes more has done nothing to correct that when we all work for the same airline?

Metrojet

Since he hasn't answered yet. It's because one group is a bunch of morons that blew the chance to see a 40% payraise.

 

[becket]

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Would you say that a top priority for a "real union" is to get equal pay for equal work? So why is it that one part of the pilot group makes 15% more than the other group - and the group that makes more has done nothing to correct that when we all work for the same airline?

Metrojet

The mechanism required to do what you're asking of the West has been removed by the East. It's called disenfranchisement. What is it the West should be doing for you now and exactly how should that get done? Join your fake union? Pay dues to have our careers destroyed? Accept your illegal after-the-fact- constitution? Please let me know, I can't wait to hear.

When Metrojet died, you should have moved on. Accepting recall was clearly a mistake. Most guys did, why not you?

 

[TWA Dude]

So why is it that one part of the pilot group makes 15% more than the other group - and the group that makes more has done nothing to correct that when we all work for the same airline?

It might have something to do with the pilot group that pulled out of joint contract negotiations during the summer of 2007 when the company was profitable. Forgot that, did ya?

 

[MCDU]

becket or is this Suzie from the crew news session on 7/8?

Either way, you need to chill. Its just a job and the hamas tactics will not get you group squat. The EAST will out number you even more due to the furloughs coming your way. So things are not looking good for non union pilots.
With the nic list you would see west pilots displacing east pilots in their bases. Very low yields in PHX and LAS hence the downsizing.

I am glad that we remain separate. I do not want anything to do we hate filled workers that want to take away our jobs. Permanent fences and the west can have your Nic.

Marty

 

[Metrojet]

Becket -

It is very hard to reason with someone who calls you "MFers", and supports anything that management does to harm/weaken the East - and maybe - one day they might try to "harm/weaken" the West - and last time I was at work - Captain's Authority applied to both East and West Captains.

Metrojet

 

[PositiveRate]

PositiveRate -

Would you say that a top priority for a "real union" is to get equal pay for equal work? So why is it that one part of the pilot group makes 15% more than the other group - and the group that makes more has done nothing to correct that when we all work for the same airline?

Metrojet

You've got to be kidding me!

One part of the group makes less because they willingly (and in breach of the TA) pulled out of joint negotiations in order to put a road block in front of the Nicolau list.

The only path to parity and payraises is from a joint contract. That reality is no different under USAPA as it was with ALPA. The Nicolau list has always been and will always be part of that reality as well.

 

[Deadalus]

becket or is this Suzie from the crew news session on 7/8?

Either way, you need to chill. Its just a job and the hamas tactics will not get you group squat. The EAST will out number you even more due to the furloughs coming your way. So things are not looking good for non union pilots.
With the nic list you would see west pilots displacing east pilots in their bases. Very low yields in PHX and LAS hence the downsizing.

I am glad that we remain separate. I do not want anything to do we hate filled workers that want to take away our jobs. Permanent fences and the west can have your Nic.

Marty[/quote

Hamas tactics? Who's the idiot group that has the mentality of a suicide bomber? Get a clue.

 

[becket]

Marty/Metrojet,

Here is your seniority, it's in California not Arizona. Do these look familiar? They should. What a pathetic airline. You accepted recall to this? I'm embarrassed for you.



http://www.airliners.net/photo/USAir/Boeing-737-3B7/0310573/L/&tbl=photo_info&photo_nr=5&sok=keyword_(%5C%27%2B%5C%22usairways%5C%22_%2B%5C%22mojave%5C%22%5C%27_IN_BOOLEAN_MODE))_&sort=_order_by_photo_id_DESC_&prev_id=0328255&next_id=NEXTID

 

[Afraid to Fly]

There is talk about this on Larry King Live

 

[JT8D]

Marty/Metrojet,

Here is your seniority, it's in California not Arizona. Do these look familiar? They should. What a pathetic airline. You accepted recall to this? I'm embarrassed for you.



http://www.airliners.net/photo/USAi...photo_id_DESC_&prev_id=0328255&next_id=NEXTID

And here is yours:

HP747


Yep that's an AWA 747 rotting in the desert. Why don't you give us the play by play of how the America West wide body program went?

I'm all ears...

 

[m80drvr]

By the way.

I'm watching Larry King right now and it is nice to see USAPA has now aired USAirways dirty laundry to the world. The story makes it look like we are not safe.

Great JOB. DRIVE MORE PAX AWAY.

What a bunch of tools.

 

[becket]

And here is yours:

HP747


Yep that's an AWA 747 rotting in the desert. Why don't you give us the play by play of how the America West wide body program went?

I'm all ears...

Good one. One jet from the Early 90's to literally hundreds of jets from post 9-11. Very powerful rebuttal. One 747 compared to god knows how many: Dc-9s, MD-80s, 737 300/400s, Fokker 100's. Well played sir...However, I'm still embarrassed for you and your chronically ill regional.

 

[Way2Broke]

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[JT8D]

Good one. One jet from the Early 90's to literally hundreds of jets from post 9-11. Very powerful rebuttal. One 747 compared to god knows how many: Dc-9s, MD-80s, 737 300/400s, Fokker 100's. Well played sir...However, I'm still embarrassed for you and your chronically ill regional.

They didn't have one 747...they had FOUR. HP was desperately trying to distance itself from what they in fact were...a low cost regional.

It didn't work:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_West_Airlines


In 1989, the airline leased four Boeing 747 aircraft (formerly operated by KLM), offering service to Hawaii and Nagoya, Japan, as well as an expansion of service to many Mexican destinations.
In 1990, the airline moved into the new Terminal 4 and also took the delivery of several Airbus A320 aircraft that were destined for the now-defunct Braniff Airways. The A320s were sold to America West at a steep discount. Braniff had assumed the Airbus A320 order after purchasing the original order rights from Pan Am, another troubled carrier.
Despite these developments, the airline continued to lose money. The operating expenses at the new Terminal 4 were much higher than previous expenses in Terminal 3's temporary concourse. The Nagoya, Japan route was essentially a bust (the planes were flying with almost no passengers), with extremely low ticket sales. Finally, concerns about stability in the Gulf States in the lead-up to the Persian Gulf War lead to increasing fuel costs. This combination forced America West to file for bankruptcy in June 1991.

 

[becket]

My bad. I forgot to mention the dozens upon dozens of 737-200s that are also parked. Remember metrojet? it's getting a sunburn in the desert for the rest of eternity.