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scab

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scab[1,noun] scab[2,intransitive verb] apple scab

Main Entry:1scab Pronunciation: \ˈskab\ Function:noun Etymology:Middle English, of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Swedish skabbr scab; akin to Old English sceabb scab, Latin scabere to scratch — more at shaveDate:13th century 1: scabies of domestic animals2: a crust of hardened blood and serum over a wound3 a: a contemptible person b (1): a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2): a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3): a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4): one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms4: any of various bacterial or fungus diseases of plants characterized by crustaceous spots; also : one of the spots


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Internet definitions don't mean squat fella.

I don't know how old you are but you need to get out of the Metrosexual societal persona if you are gonna fly jets.
 
Internet definitions don't mean squat fella.

I don't know how old you are but you need to get out of the Metrosexual societal persona if you are gonna fly jets.

that "internet" definition is found on the Merriam-Webster web site...You know, WEBSTERS DICTIONARY...the foundation of the language?

Sorry to tell you but I've been flying jets for 15 years, all with out manicures or hair products and you're metrosexual rant is just plain weird.

Stripping the west of their union benefits on the promise of "cost neutral" fits perfectly into the expanded definition of "scab".

Facts are Facts. Like it or not..."fella"
 
that "internet" definition is found on the Merriam-Webster web site...You know, WEBSTERS DICTIONARY...the foundation of the language?

Sorry to tell you but I've been flying jets for 15 years, all with out manicures or hair products and you're metrosexual rant is just plain weird.

Stripping the west of their union benefits on the promise of "cost neutral" fits perfectly into the expanded definition of "scab".

Facts are Facts. Like it or not..."fella"

Whatever dude.

You call me a scab, I call you a metrosexual.

who really gives a crap?

Here is my Internet quote:

Metrosexual is a neologism generally applied to heterosexual men with a strong concern for their appearance, or whose lifestyles display attributes stereotypically seen among gay men. The metro- (city) prefix indicates this man's purely urban lifestyle, while the -sexual suffix comes from "heterosexual," meaning that this man, although he is usually straight, embodies the heightened aesthetic sense often associated with certain types of gay men
 
THE ONE AND ONLY DEFINITION OF A SCAB IS SOMEONE WHO CROSSES A PICKET LINE AND PERFORMS STRUCK WORK.

THAT'S IT...PERIOD END...OVER... NADA... DONE.

THERE IS NO OTHER DEFINITION.

Construed or not.

Damn young-ins.

Not really, that's the most common, but not the only, the courts have accepted several definitions as acceptable. My favorite is the first definition attributed to Jack London:

The Scab

"After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, He had some awful substance left with which He made a scab."

"A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles."

"When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and Angels weep in Heaven, and the Devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out."

"No man (or woman) has a right to scab so long as there is a pool of water to drown his carcass in, or a rope long enough to hang his body with. Judas was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his Master, he had character enough to hang himself. A scab has not."

"Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage. Judas sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver. Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British Army. The scab sells his birthright, country, his wife, his children and his fellowmen for an unfulfilled promise from his employer."

"Esau was a traitor to himself; Judas was a traitor to his God; Benedict Arnold was a traitor to his country; a SCAB is a traitor to his God, his country, his family and his class."

These two really come to mind when I think of USAPA:

"A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles."

"When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and Angels weep in Heaven, and the Devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out."
 
These two really come to mind when I think of USAPA:

"A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles."

"When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and Angels weep in Heaven, and the Devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out."

So you think that TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED moms and dads certified to operate Transport Category Aircraft could fit this definition huh?
 
USAPA will be gone, and Nicolau will survive.

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, sans-serif]The right to sue the union, without reprisal, if internal appeals do not produce a satisfactory result within four months, or if you disagree with the union's decision;[/FONT]

http://www.uniondemocracy.com/Legal/lmrda.htm


In September, the 2nd District Court of Appeal held that a union did not waive its members' statutory rights and the employees could sue in court even though the union had grieved the same issue under the collective bargaining agreement's grievance and arbitration procedure.

http://pursuitofjustice.com/publications/dailyjournal_2006_10_23.htm


I think so to. When Doug is faced with every single West Pilot suing the company simultaneously for lost wages and every single one can go to a jury the Nic. award will go into effect immediately.

When union reps find themselves being sued by West pilots for backed wages they will be begging Doug to recognize the Nic. award as the seniority list.
 
So you think that TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED moms and dads certified to operate Transport Category Aircraft could fit this definition huh?


That's how many Busted the AWA Union right? So Yes, homophobe, 2500 is the correct amount. Also, what is your hang up about operating airplanes? It's not that cool, you don't have to be an astronaut, and those guys back in high school would still kick your ass even if they knew that someday you'd be in the right seat of an airbus...or whatever.

Jet Pilot? BFD.
 
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When Doug is faced with every single West Pilot suing the company simultaneously for lost wages and every single one can go to a jury the Nic. award will go into effect immediately.

There won't be a company to sue Hotshot.
 
So you think that TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED moms and dads certified to operate Transport Category Aircraft could fit this definition huh?

I think that's exactly what he was saying.

You need to have a beer or five and find your happy place. Remember, you and your fellow 'moms and dads' (that was a nice touch) wanted this change. Did you expect no backlash? Oh wait, that's right, you guys didn't need a plan B...plan A was solid.

There won't be a company to sue Hotshot.

Holy crap - I agree with you on something.
 
Correct me if I am wrong but weren’t the 190s headed west before the merger?

No, in fact the company(old East) then new management was trying to get a reduction in the proving runs etc. because they had already operated the 170. I think in the end they did get some breaks from the FAA, but not as many as hoped as it took longer to take delivery than originally expected.
 
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So you think that TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED moms and dads certified to operate Transport Category Aircraft could fit this definition huh?

They abandoned their union in an attempt to escape their obligation to honor a decision they had agreed to be bound by and they dragged good ALPA pilots with them. They lack character, and are devoid of principles. I turn my back on them and I reach out to the good pilots who voted for ALPA and rejected that sham union USAPA.


Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles." Perfect for USAPA
 
USCABA is a scab ops and all East pilots are now branded by it! If you think parts of the company will be spinned off, keep dreaming like the East's great profits that caused two BK's, we are going down together. At least most of the West pilots are young and get a new line of work, most of the East scabs will have to sell beer at Lowes Speedway till the PBGC pays of their double wide in Hickory!
 
So you think that TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED moms and dads certified to operate Transport Category Aircraft could fit this definition huh?

What does being a Mom or Dad and certified to fly transport aircraft have to do with it??? The pilots who scabed Continental , UAL and EAL were "Moms and Dad's certified to operate transport aircraft".

USAPA is a disgusting chapter in commercial aviations history, if the merger goes through with UAL you guys are hosed for the rest of your career, AND IT'S YOUR OWN FAULT!
 
I was hired 26 years ago. Based in PHL. Do the math.

Marty


http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=69043&page=4

That's really odd Marty, Looking at your past posts,(12-26-05) it would seem you have nothing to do with US Air prior to 2006. Doesn't really seem like a 26 year PHL F.O. posted all those old messages.


Again, Do you really work for US Air or do you just have some kind of lame axe to grind with ALPA? I'm guessing the latter.
 
I don't usually post here because opinions of most posters have no clue about anything. But when I post it is usually a torpedo.........so here goes.....

Marty MCDU and JT8D, have got to be the most uninformed, stupidest, uneducated, self serving, arrogant, belittling, childest, POS's i've ever read posts from.

Do you guys know how to read an SEC filing?? I didn't think so. Your asses were saved, and your titanic ship takes down the life vests provided for you.

You vote in a union with a goal to screw the livelihoods of those that saved you from greeting folks at Wal-Mart, and have no integrity or dignity, and you blame us for all of your previous woes.

Wow........you guys are pieces of work.

I hope all of the money you put into USCABA bites you in the ass as lost income when that scabby union is either BK'd by a merger or your scabby FO bradford figures out he can't run a union with a fcuked up lawyer.

Cheers to you dickheads.

Capt.
 
Oh and Bad Andy..........you are a coward to wear the scabby yellow lanyard to get a ride to work.

Glad you voted ALPA.

Wearing that yellow POS around your neck to avoid confrontation is about as low as one can get.

If you're going to stay in this industry, I suggest you grow a set right now and show your true colors, not to appease the tyranny.

Your actions prove that you could be a pawn later on when flying the line.

Capt.
 
Oh and Bad Andy..........you are a coward to wear the scabby yellow lanyard to get a ride to work.

Glad you voted ALPA.

Wearing that yellow POS around your neck to avoid confrontation is about as low as one can get.

If you're going to stay in this industry, I suggest you grow a set right now and show your true colors, not to appease the tyranny.

Your actions prove that you could be a pawn later on when flying the line.

Capt.



BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
 
Here is the definition of a scab since most of you apparently think it applies to anyone who does anything you don't agree with:

The term "scab," in the context of unions, is a highly derogatory "fighting word" that refers to people who continue to work during strike action by trade unionists. The act of working during a strike is also known as crossing the picket line (and, often, physically requires crossing a picket line) and can result in passive and/or active retaliation against that working person.
 
Marty MCDU and JT8D, have got to be the most uninformed, stupidest, uneducated, self serving, arrogant, belittling, childest, POS's i've ever read posts from.
Capt.

Well, Capt, there's plenty of that going around. Your boys are childish, belittling, and arrogant as well. Everything written here by west pilots is spun Bill O'Reilly-style for maximum impact. But that doesn't make it all true.

Do you guys know how to read an SEC filing?? I didn't think so. Your asses were saved, and your titanic ship takes down the life vests provided for you.
Capt.

Do YOU know how to read an SEC filing? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you do, but that in this case you are only inferring that it said what you wanted to hear. US Air was saved, but not by YOU, not by Doug, and certainly not by any massive amount of money generated by your LCC operations there in the desert. Why don't you give this one a break. How many times does your management have to tell you that this merger saved your jobs too before you guys drop this tired little rant?


You vote in a union with a goal to screw the livelihoods of those that saved you from greeting folks at Wal-Mart, and have no integrity or dignity, and you blame us for all of your previous woes.
Capt.

Well now, there's an intelligent, well thought out sentiment. I've never heard anyone blame AWA for U's previous woes. Nor would I bet on any of us, East or West, greeting people at WalMart. Perhaps this is just an example of you, Capt, being arrogant, belittling, childish?


Wow........you guys are pieces of work.

I hope all of the money you put into USCABA bites you in the ass as lost income when that scabby union is either BK'd by a merger or your scabby FO bradford figures out he can't run a union with a fcuked up lawyer.

Cheers to you dickheads.

Capt.


Wow, that's not what I hope at all. I hope we can all come to an agreement that actually preserves everyone's pre-merger expectations and move on with it. I know you all think Nic does that, but how do you explain Dave having 1200 guys behind him for furlough fodder overnight, and an A330 fleet, and 767 fleet, suddenly available to your pilots. Were either of these part of YOUR pre-merger expectations?

ALPA failed. They failed to listen to their membership, and they failed miserably at representing a pilot group that had faithfully given and given and given, every time ALPA said it was necessary. They exposed their true colors at the end, making very clear that it was our dues money, and that alone, that they wanted. They were lying their butts off every day in a desperate attempt to keep us.

ALPA's been around so long here that no one on property ever had a choice about membership. While all of you shamefully throw around the word "scab," diluting its meaning and purpose every time you do it, it doesn't change the fact that there are real scabs on your list. Actual, picket line crossing scabs. I hope we can at least fence them in PHX and LAS forever.

But for the rest of you, I wish the best. I hope that everything you had pre-merger is still yours, and that we all have some added job security due to critical mass.

Cheers to you guys....for real.
 
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Oh and Bad Andy..........you are a coward to wear the scabby yellow lanyard to get a ride to work.

Glad you voted ALPA.

Wearing that yellow POS around your neck to avoid confrontation is about as low as one can get.

If you're going to stay in this industry, I suggest you grow a set right now and show your true colors, not to appease the tyranny.

Your actions prove that you could be a pawn later on when flying the line.

If that's your opinion, then so be it... Coward or not, I still put my job ahead of some stupid union squabbling. Talking about stupid, you mentioned:
Marty MCDU and JT8D, have got to be the most uninformed, stupidest, uneducated, self serving, arrogant, belittling, childest, POS's i've ever read posts from.

I hate to tell you, but most of you militant west guys fall into that category. You have something more powerful than anything else on your side -- the law. And yet, you are willing to risk throwing away almost certain victory with idiotic, childish actions ("We'll burn the house down, etc"). Talk about stupid. A smart man will work within the process, when he is sure he is in the right and will win. But, there is a whole lot that awaaaaaaaaappa is encouraging outside the legal process. You think that will help or hurt your cause? If you think it helps, good luck with that...

Anyways, back to my hole to cower in fear from the brave and daring internet posters that saved the world. Maybe I can "grow a set" someday and not be afraid to man-up and insult people behind an anonymous screen name on the internet... But until then, I'm going back into hiding and watch you idiots destroy yourselves. Hopefully wherever my next job is, there are no easties or westies...
 
No one wants to answer my question about the professional 737 pilot?
 
imacdog,

I highly doubt that guy took an unpaved shortcut because he was racing another airplane. That was a rumored 'impression' of another pilot who described what happened.

I believe he just made a mistake, which happens. The timing, however, was not great considering 2723 people had just voted to greatly reduce the protection we had from such boneheaded actions so that they could attempt to undue binding arbitration.

He was probably just tired from working like an RJ pilot on LOA93 all day, hungry from no crew meals and in need of a new pair of bifocals. ;-)

There was an interesting comment posted by a West pilot the next day though....while pushing back, an East pilot blocked their call to ground with the words "USAPA ROCKS"....in the distance was the East 737 in the grass. Things that make you go hmmm....
 
I hope we can all come to an agreement that actually preserves everyone's pre-merger expectations and move on with it -- I thought we tried that?. I know you all think Nic does that, but how do you explain Dave having 1200 guys behind him for furlough fodder overnight, --those 1200 pilots behind him were on furlough already, not exactly of any use to dave as furlough protection and an A330 fleet, and 767 fleet, suddenly available to your pilots -- I don't think the majority of the AWA pilots had/ have any problems with fencing off the 330/767 for the East domiciles. Were either of these part of YOUR pre-merger expectations?


I hope that everything you had pre-merger is still yours, and that we all have some added job security due to critical mass. --So you support me being placed on the list that will allow me an 8 yr. narrow body upgrade?
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In the end I think Nic. was fair because:
- putting long term fences around domiciles is only fair in a static environment, which this is not. When AWA was its own gig, the focus had to be on PHX/ LAS. Doug had to do the best he could with that so all the growth goes there. Once we merge, doug has to do whats best in the new enviroment, and that may mean growing only the East bases. So growth that would have come to PHX may now goes to PHL because they can get a little more bang for the buck out there.
- AAA had furloughed so deep that DOH was totally skewed. Had the list went straight DOH furloughed guys would become captains. If it would have went DOH for active with no-bump-flush provisions I think the AWA guys could have bought off on it but ask the most senior AAA guy on furlough if thats fair. Before the merger he and the most junior active AAA pilot where only one apart - if you do DOH for the active pilots they now would have 90% of the AWA list between them.

I'm not mad at the AAA pilots for doing everything they can to get everything for themselves - its the american way. I just wish the AAA pilots would be man enough to say you'll destory whatever it takes to get everything you can, rather than play this poor me roll of ALPA unfair - nic.'s unfair.

I am mad however that in their scortched earth process they have left me totally exposed without a real union. Exposed both in terms of company/ FAA action as well as lost life/ loss lic. insurance. And I'm sick-n-fking tired of hearing that the AWA guys got a windfall - 4 years on reserve and at least that many added to my upgrade (not including age 65!). No windfall here thats for sure.
 
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http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=69043&page=4

That's really odd Marty, Looking at your past posts,(12-26-05) it would seem you have nothing to do with US Air prior to 2006. Doesn't really seem like a 26 year PHL F.O. posted all those old messages.


Again, Do you really work for US Air or do you just have some kind of lame axe to grind with ALPA? I'm guessing the latter.

Hmmm...makes you wonder why someone that has no dog in this fight would waste so much of his time.
 

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