USAPA knew all along!

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Quick Facts #9 Hosted on Unbiased Facts
June 23, 2009

We Fully Expected to Lose The DFR Lawsuit We Said Could Never Happen



USAPA’s Willful Misrepresentations

USAPA Website Rumor Control Section (Prior to the NMB Representation Election)

Question - “I heard that if USAPA renegotiates the list using DOH, it will be grounds
for a DFR lawsuit."

Answer - “FALSE”.

Source:
http://1.usairlinepilots.org/members-only/old_files/rumor_control.htm (log in required)


USAPA Update – May 13, 2009

“The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals and, if necessary, the United States Supreme Court,
are the appropriate places for the law to be truly vetted. While USAPA would have, of
course, preferred to prevail in the current setting (allowing the pilot group to come
together and work towards an improved contract), we fully expected and planned for
this contingency.”

Summary – Prior to the ALPA – USAPA NMB Representational election in a
Question and Answer Section USAPA stated that there would be no grounds for a DFR
lawsuit if USAPA attempts to renegotiate the seniority list using DOH. However,
following the unanimous 9-0 jury conviction finding USAPA guilty of DFR, USAPA
said, “we fully expected and planned for this contingency.”

Which comment is true? This wasn't just a little wrong – they were miles off. How
much more of this should the US Airways pilots continue to tolerate while the pilots in
the rest of this industry are making steady gains in pay, retirement, benefits and quality
of life?
 

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"...while the pilots in the rest of this industry are making steady gains in pay, retirement, benefits and quality of life?

"What Country/World/Universe do you live in?

Is it nice there?

Can I come live with you?


YKWTFO?
Good question.....USAPA said they were going to have a "industry leading contract" in 90 days. Well, that was over an year ago. No contract....NOTHING!
 

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My current contract doesn't even pay me enough to be able to afford that small caliber handgun and one bullet to let me escape from this a$$hole "profession"!
 

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T-bag, YYYYYYaaaaaaaawwwwwnnnnnn, is getting old when facts are present. So what is it, did you expect to lose the case or not? What is the latest USAPA spin from PMI Thueur? How does the E-190 handle from the right seat from a personal viewpoint as opposed to a right seat DCH-8?
 

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Yawwwwnnnnnn

Tejas-jet read this:

Unbiased Facts - #17
June 24, 2009

US Airways East Union Merger Committee Report(s) on the Upgrade
Delay and Economic Loss Due to the Nicolau Award

Who US Airways ALPA and USAPA Merger Committees, MEC, and BPR

What The East Merger Committee Hired Airline merger Market
Analyst/Consultant Rikk Salamat to conduct and provide an
economic analysis of the Nicolau Award to the East pilot group union
leadership.

When Spring 2007

Where Toronto, Canada

Why The Merger Committee requested an expert consultant’s opinion to
provide a public report to the ALPA Executive Council in an attempt
to have the Nicolau Award vacated.

How Not only did the consultant provide a public report he provided a
private report that has been hidden from the pilot group by ALPA
and now USAPA. This report is very revealing and provides economic
loss information, if any, for each East pilot.

Fact #1 The US Airways East ALPA East Merger Committee hired Rikk
Salamatt to provide seniority integration consultant services.

For more information on Rikk Salamat’s background and experience take
a look at his profile:

http://www.linkedin.com/in/rikks

Salamat has been used by several airline union Merger Committees to
provide factual data on the effects of a seniority integration including the
recently concluded Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airline’s pilot
integrations.

Fact #2 US Airways ALPA MEC Presentation to ALPA Executive Council
(EC) - May 21, 2007

For more information on the public material contained in Rikk Salamat’s
analysis of the Nicolau Award’s effects on Captain Upgrade and financial
effects on the East pilot group take a look MEC’s presentation to the EC
on May 21, 2007:

http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/AAAMergerCommitteeToECMay2007.pdf
Fact #3 The Salamat Report Excel Spreadsheet on pages 11 through 17 of the
US Airways ALPA MEC Presentation to ALPA Executive Council
(EC) - May 21, 2007 provides Narrowbody and Widebody Captain
Expectancy Data for the Combined East and West pilots with Pre-
merger, Merged, and Impact Data.

For more information on the report:

http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/AAAMergerCommitteeToECMay2007.pdf

Fact #4 The Salamat Report Extract concludes 80 out of 136 East First
Officers from combined seniority numbers 4409 to 4768 were never
going to upgrade to Narrowbody Captain pre-merger or that the
Nicolau award had no effect on their career expectation. The non-
public version of the Salamat Report that the ALPA MEC and
USAPA BPR have not released to the pilot group is even more
revealing in that several hundred East pilots would never have
upgraded to Captain based on an age 60 retirement and that
“Narrowbody First Officer” was their career expectation and remains
their career expectation.

For more information on the report:

http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/AAAMergerCommitteeToECMay2007.pdf

Fact #5 The lowest seniority East active pilot when the merger was announced
with uninterrupted continuous service is Joe Monda, combined
seniority number 4768. The Salamat Report concluded that pre-
merger Monda would never upgrade to Narrowbody Captain and
would retire at age 60 as a First Officer and the Nicolau Award did
not effect his pre-merger Narrowbody Upgrade Career Expectation.

For more information on Monda’s position look at the 6 page of the
spreadsheet:

http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/AAAMergerCommitteeToECMay2007.pdf

Fact #6 The Salamat Report states the lowest seniority East active pilot when
the merger was announced with uninterrupted continuous service
who could have upgraded to Narrowbody Captain pre-merger is Jim
Ziegler, combined seniority number 4764.

The Salamat Report indicates pre-merger Ziegler’s expectation for
upgrade to Narrowbody Captain was 2015 and the Nicolau Award would
delay his upgrade to 2017 (worst case scenario is two years).

For more information on Ziegler’s position look at page 17 of the report:

http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/AAAMergerCommitteeToECMay2007.pdf

Fact #7 The Salamat Report indicates the Average pre-merger to merged East
First Officer Narrowbody Captain Upgrade was delayed about 22
months.

For more information on the report:

http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/AAAMergerCommitteeToECMay2007.pdf

Fact #8 Joint Negotiations - Spring 2007

In early 2007 US Airways provided the ALPA Joint Negotiating
Committee (JNC) their joint contract pay rate increase opening offer. This
was called the Kirby Proposal and provided East pilots a 17% and West
pilots a 3% pay raise along with the same percent increase for DC Plan
retirement contributions.

Fact #9 Leonidas Update - May 8, 2009

"Captain (Jack) Stephan did recall a conversation he had with company
negotiators that the company would be amenable to a 7-10% pay increase
(beyond the Kirby Proposal) for everyone in order to get a joint contract."

Fact #10 Current East Narrowbody First Officer Group II pay is about $85 per
hour.

Fact #11 The monthly gross pay for an East Narrowbody Group II First
Officer who flies 90 hours per month is approximately $7,650 per
month.

Fact #12 Current East Narrowbody Group II Captain pay is about $125 per
hour.

Fact #13 The monthly gross pay for an East Narrowbody Group II Captain at
76 hours per month short call guarantee is approximately $9,500 per
month.

Fact #14 Per Jack Stephan’s testimony under oath at the Addington trial the
US Airways East pilots could have obtained a 27% pay increase
during contract negotiations.

Unbiased Facts previously reported in an article regarding Mounting
Financial Loses that East Narrowbody First Officer’s are losing about
$2,277 (monthly) per former ALPA MEC Chairman Jack Stephan’s sworn
testimony at the Addington trial.

For more information on Mounting East Pilot pay Losses due to current
new contract negotiations that are at a stalemate due to the seniority
integration litigation look here:

http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/unrecoverablelossesJune2009Update.pdf


Fact #15 The Nicolau Award was released to both MEC’s on May 3, 2007 or
about twenty-five months ago.

If the Joint Negotiating Committee had reached a new contract agreement
in May 2007 that implemented the Nicolau Award Jim Ziegler and every
pilot senior to him would have earned more than $57,000 in pay and
retirement benefits than he has today.


Conclusion The Salamat Report indicates the worst case scenario for an East active
pilot is a two year Narrowody Captain upgrade delay.

The cumulative East pilot pay loses from May 3, 2007 through June 1,
2009 are listed in the table below with exact details on how these figures
were derived contained in the link below the table.

Cumulative Financial Loses for East and West pilots Effective June 1,
2009

Pilot Group Captain First Officer
US Airways East $84,150 $56,925
US Airways West $42,078 $34,650

http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/unrecoverablelossesJune2009Update.pdf


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Unbiased Facts is a website by East Pilots...... what does that say?
 

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If I'm not mistaken, this has all been posted before. I'm joining in the yawn.....
 

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Hey Easties, YOU LOST, AGAIN. You are a bunch of babies. (now that was unbiased!) Tell your CLT USAPA leaders they can allow video cameras into your LEC or MEC meetings now for the Westies. HAHAHAHA. If not, the judge "is gonna get you....." Say hi to Sulley for me...now that guy has integrity.....(hey, how much will Sulley have to pay out of his book deal for Westie damages? He may have to write a couple more books to pay them off)


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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Hey Easties, YOU LOST, AGAIN. You are a bunch of babies. (now that was unbiased!) Tell your CLT USAPA leaders they can allow video cameras into your LEC or MEC meetings now for the Westies. HAHAHAHA. If not, the judge "is gonna get you....." Say hi to Sulley for me...now that guy has integrity.....(hey, how much will Sulley have to pay out of his book deal for Westie damages? He may have to write a couple more books to pay them off)


Bye Bye--General Lee

Spoken like a real PFT pilot of the 90's. Good luck Junior.

What goes up must come down. Delta is in big trouble if the economy does not improve. Look at 1500 -2000 pilots on the street and a BK filing. Enjoy your little pathetic aviation world. DOH matters. Its only a question of time, when it does. Like United pilots that now are very vocal about DOH issues in mergers.

This thread shows that retards like Genital, Dope and PFT_128 are exactly why USAIR East are fighting the good fight. It would be out of place if you three mongos would be sticking up for a pilot group that has been around as long as your parents.

The PFT crowd has no respect and like Republic pilots, sees nothing wrong in their actions taking away higher paying jobs and jumping over many years of seniority.

Genital Lee, Dope and PFT_128 = Pathetic FI trolls

Now, the Westies have an excuse. They got a Windfall. Kind of like winning a soccer match by penalty, even though it was clearly not a penalty. The team still thinks it won. There is a reason why one group wants a joint SLI and one does not. That is because one group got hosed.

Read the dissenting arguments by pilot neutral Bruscia on the award. He had a pretty good take on the 33% that got left out. When the list was awarded most East pilots were active again and placing 33% of east pilots behind ODELL is a windfall.

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MCDU,
The East pilots were active again due to the merger,not to any doing by the old AAA. Windfall, I'll give that title to the top 517 of the List. The West was just happy that the AAA offer of LOS was not awarded, just like their draconic DOH list that fell on deaf ears in NAC talks with the company.
 

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MCDU.....you are burning the FRIES again. Did you really fly a C172? Cool...
 

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Read the dissenting arguments by pilot neutral Bruscia on the award. He had a pretty good take on the 33% that got left out. When the list was awarded most East pilots were active again and placing 33% of east pilots behind ODELL is a windfall.

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"Finally I would like to reaffirm my opinion that the Chairman Nicolau demonstrated exceptional judgment and wisdom working through many difficult and challenging issues including the disparate aircraft types, routes, compensation systems, and pilot staffing formulas to mention just a few. It has been a privilege to work together with Chairman Nicolau and Captain Gillen on this Opinion and Award. "

Captain James P Brucia
Pilot Neutral
 

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You Eastie faggs couldnt get laid in a whore house

Long live the westies

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One questions for the East....

What part of BINDING arbitration did you not understand?
 
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