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USAPA: Downfall is coming from within!

T2Bus

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The following came from USAPAWATCH.com

Mr. Cleary, you must think we are all fools. You are blaming our predicament on the 1800 former America West pilots who sued to protect themselves from their own bargaining agent. You then had the audacity to suggest that USAPA cannot win the ‘communications war’ as ‘they are better at Internet trash talk.’

Mr. Cleary, let’s get a few things straight:

You do not need to be at ‘war’ with your communications efforts. Truthful communiqués sans spin phrases such as ‘supremely confident’ would substantially increase the credibility of your updates.
You fired the first salvo with your RICO lawsuit against some former America West pilots. The case was dismissed with prejudice in a North Carolina district court in record time.
There is no east/west strategy to ‘sap’ anyone. The perception that USAPA and Mr. Seham are incapable of winning is grounded in fact, not some grand smear campaign. The lawsuits filed by the west pilots and former Empire/Shuttle pilots were costly endeavors. Unlike the Association, individual pilots are financially handcuffed when it comes to filing frivolous lawsuits.
Your BPR rejected a resolution to create a USAPA sponsored web board. The resolution was soundly defeated at your direction.
You promoted the concept of USAPA on the promise that it would eliminate the ALPA created logjam. To now claim that anticipated legal action against USAPA’s plan to disenfranchise the west pilots has resurrected the logjam is completely disingenuous. Given time, the east/west MEC’s might have reached an amicable agreement. You can’t blame the west MEC for not moving prior to the vote as there existed no warranty for any concessions made. Once 2700 pilots joined your crusade they gave up the right to negotiate a settlement. Former MEC Chairman Jack Stephan was spot on when he predicted that the fastest path to Nicolau implementation was through the decertification of ALPA.

Despite loss after loss, you somehow believe that USAPA has been victorious in the defense of the indefensible. TheEye absolutely agrees that the losers in this debacle are each and every US Airways pilot who works for gutter wages and under bankruptcy era work rules. The fact that JetBlue E190 FO’s will make more than five year Airbus FO’s is your fault Mr. Cleary. You are the one promoting the de facto parking of contract talks during the estimated 2-3 year appeals process. How dare you blame those of us willing to move on when it is your selfishness delaying our progress.

How ironic that you now feel that ‘the only way forward is with open dialogue and moving forward as one.’ The opportunity for open dialogue ended on that famous van ride to Herndon.

The reality is that the only way to move on is for you to vacate your position and yield the gavel. But as we all know, such a voluntary move is highly unlikely.

Instead, we will continue to reach out and encourage USAPA membership with the singular goal of ending your delusional crusade. It may take time, but we believe that there are enough east/west pilots willing to join together and end the logjam you created.

Mark our words; as membership increases your power will substantially decrease.
 

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You fired the first salvo with your RICO lawsuit against some former America West pilots. The case was dismissed with prejudice in a North Carolina district court in record time.

An association that sues the very pilots it pretends to represent.

Pathetic.
 

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Where is the **YAWN** icon?


It was written by an East pilot...times are changing and the East Pilots are now seeing what 1.5 million dollars of their dues is paying for.... lawyers that tell them what they want to hear. Wake up guys, tell Cleary NO MORE!
 

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sounds like some alpa diehards upset on their loss of FPL. Oh well.......


FYI. I think even if the "kirby" proposal was accepted. Jetblue 190 f/o's would still make more than our Bus f/o's..... but lets not confuse facts
 

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sounds like some alpa diehards upset on their loss of FPL. Oh well.......


FYI. I think even if the "kirby" proposal was accepted. Jetblue 190 f/o's would still make more than our Bus f/o's..... but lets not confuse facts

Crzipilot...........?????????

What is your point?......You a diehard USAPA supporter, what does this have to do with FPL and ALPA?

Your NAC pulled out of negotiations......The longer you accept USAPA's postion, the longer it will take to make what Jetblue f/o's will be reaping and live with loa 93 in infinity.

Make no mistake, the facts are the facts, (and don't let facts stand in the way of fiction) and the longer you support USAPA, you will be fed bullshiite from your leader Clearyhole, and you will stay at the bottom of the payroll barrel until you see the light at the end of the tunnel.
 

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sounds like some alpa diehards upset on their loss of FPL. Oh well.......


FYI. I think even if the "kirby" proposal was accepted. Jetblue 190 f/o's would still make more than our Bus f/o's..... but lets not confuse facts


How much are the lawyers making off USAPA? Let me answer that for you...1.5 million of your dues (..not counting fees for 2009). And for what? Where's the "big contract" that USAPA has promise before the election? Everything they have said are lies!
 

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"It is my meeting"

The Charlotte reps never cease to amaze us with their ability to create divisiveness. With support for their crusade waning, it is clear that they are resorting to desperate measures to maintain absolute power.

“It is the recommendation of your domicile representatives that, if confronted in any airport, immediately call 911 from your cell phone and report the confrontation to local authorities.” – CLT Domicile Update 5/28/09

Capt. ‘General’ Day’s latest call to arms tasks east pilots to call 911 whenever they encounter west pilots. Imagine your surprise when you say ‘hello’ to your fellow aviator at the airport Starbucks and instead of offering a cordial reply the police are summoned. You may scoff at this scenario, but this is exactly what General Day is instructing his members to do.

Thankfully, most US Airways pilots have had enough of the divisiveness perpetuated by the Cleary and General Day types. If losing a major DFR case wasn’t enough, they now believe that the west will be pummeled into submission by the employ of scare tactics and threats of retaliation.

To be sure, there have been unprofessional encounters initiated by pilots from both sides. If General Day were a real union representative, he would encourage his members to contact their professional standards representative to resolve the issue. Before your next trip print out their contact information and carry it with you. It can be found on the Members Only Section of the USAPA website. Just click on ‘yellow pages’ on the left hand column. There are nine volunteers listed for your convenience.

It’s your choice. Obviously if you feel bodily harm is eminent, the proper authorities should be notified. But we all know this is highly unlikely. The next time a crew extends a friendly hello, ignore General Day and put the cell phone back in the pocket. Instead of dialing 911, just return the gesture or remain silent.

General Day’s divisive orders must be rejected. Fostering east/west unity must become USAPA’s number one goal. Like it or not, we will be sharing cockpits sooner than later.

TheEye also asks General Day to publish the unedited video of the CLT meeting for all members to examine. Hopefully the scene where he scoffs at two E190 pilots will be included so we can witness the General proclaim that the A330 pilots are not interested in their plight. Of course this excerpt will probably be cut from the published version as it is diametrically opposed to his empathetic (and fake) plea for their cause in today’s domicile update.

The bottom line is General Day doesn’t care about the E190 pilots nor is he interested in building east/west unity.

Sitting on the sidelines is unacceptable.

It’s time to join.

Posted by TheEye at 5/28/2009 5:35 PM | View Comments (3) | Add Comment
 

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Crzipilot...........?????????

What is your point?......You a diehard USAPA supporter, what does this have to do with FPL and ALPA?

Your NAC pulled out of negotiations......The longer you accept USAPA's postion, the longer it will take to make what Jetblue f/o's will be reaping and live with loa 93 in infinity.

Make no mistake, the facts are the facts, (and don't let facts stand in the way of fiction) and the longer you support USAPA, you will be fed bullshiite from your leader Clearyhole, and you will stay at the bottom of the payroll barrel until you see the light at the end of the tunnel.

His point, obviously, is that the opinion pasted into the beginning of thread was likely written by a card carrying member of the former ALPA GAG (Give Away Gang), a group who is now most aligned with your pilots in the "let's move on right now and get that big, fat, lucrative contract that Doug and Scott are just dying to offer us" delusion.

We are very familiar with these pilots, their tactics, and their motives. Funny that it's posted here as if it's some significant development in the east ranks. What a joke.
 

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Will USAPA fail? Who knows, whether they do or don't the damage is already done. All the pilots both East and West could have had a contract on par with Delta. That chance is gone. Because a large percentage of East pilots wanted want was not rightfully theirs the door has closed and the bus has left. Could USAPA be turned into a real union. That would depend on the East. How many were just blind and with time could see the light? How many are scumbags who will never care what is right or wrong? Thank goodness I left before this all came down.
 

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His point, obviously, is that the opinion pasted into the beginning of thread was likely written by a card carrying member of the former ALPA GAG (Give Away Gang), a group who is now most aligned with your pilots in the "let's move on right now and get that big, fat, lucrative contract that Doug and Scott are just dying to offer us" delusion.
How would you use divisiveness and disunity (the only things that USAPA has cultivated) to get any type of contract? When has splitting the pilot group ever lead to major improvements?

The Cleary's of the world have never delivered on their rhetoric, but idiots keep voting them into office just to make themselves feel like they're doing something.

Instead of actually doing something.
 

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Well it is an option. though I think you have to be a member to start a recall action.

Die hard Usapa? No, not me.

Ya, B6 f/o's will be making more than the east f/o's. But uhmm...aren't they also quite a bit above that industry leading West contract to? Even with that big fat offer from kirby? So what's your point?
 

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Another ounce of false information. No union wants to deal with usapa? hmmm....interesting...

CAPA is a trade association comprised of over 28,000 professional pilots. CAPA's purpose is to address safety, security, legislative and regulatory issues affecting the professional flight deck crew member on matters of common interest to the individual member unions. The five members of CAPA are:
Union
Airline
Allied Pilots Association (APA)
American
Independent Pilots Association (IPA)
UPS
Southwest Airlines Pilots Association (SWAPA)
Southwest
Teamsters Local 1224
ABX Air
US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA)
US Airways
 

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Another ounce of false information. No union wants to deal with usapa? hmmm....interesting...

CAPA is a trade association comprised of over 28,000 professional pilots. CAPA's purpose is to address safety, security, legislative and regulatory issues affecting the professional flight deck crew member on matters of common interest to the individual member unions. The five members of CAPA are:

Union


Airline

Allied Pilots Association (APA)
American
Independent Pilots Association (IPA)
UPS
Southwest Airlines Pilots Association (SWAPA)
Southwest
Teamsters Local 1224
ABX Air
US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA)
US Airways

The sole purpose of usapa's birth was to overthrow a federally arbitrated seniority list.

APA, IPA UPS, SWAPA Teamsters Local 224, ABX, and USAPA, do not represent the West.

CAPA does not give one SHIITE about usapa......They all know your motive was to put the west under the bus. They know that you usapa supporters are all about yourselves and that is why you have only approximately 100 west members in "good" standing. What does that tell you about solidarity and unification?

If you think CAPA is looking out for your well being and support, you are smoking some pretty damn good crack.

You and Mcdoosh are on the same page...........I'm truly sorry that you couldn't find another job while you were furloghed and you tried to recapture your lost position at the expense of the westyz, but NIC, Judge Wake, and the RICO lawsuit all seem to think that the merger was not your WINDFALL to steal jobs from gainfully employed people.

You need to stop listening to cleary and admit that your dues you are paying to an experimental association are going directly to Seham.

But send them your dues anyway............In the 14 months of usapa's inception, ask yourself..........where has it gotten me? Nowhere. No new contract, no DOH, no unity, No nothing. Only the extention of LOA 93.

You keep losing and only promise an appeal......Guess where the appeal is going!!
 

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Another ounce of false information. No union wants to deal with usapa? hmmm....interesting...

CAPA is a trade association comprised of over 28,000 professional pilots. CAPA's purpose is to address safety, security, legislative and regulatory issues affecting the professional flight deck crew member on matters of common interest to the individual member unions. The five members of CAPA are:
Union
Airline
Allied Pilots Association (APA)
American
Independent Pilots Association (IPA)
UPS
Southwest Airlines Pilots Association (SWAPA)
Southwest
Teamsters Local 1224
ABX Air
US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA)
US Airways


You can thank the good Hero "Sully" for the admittance into CAPA. CAPA thought they can get more respect on the hill if they counted the hero in their ranks...
 
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