Usairways no more profit sharing?

[charlie2]

Just another avenue to attempt to evade a final and binding list. Here are some questions you might want to ponder:

1. If there are more than two lists, who will "represent" the former AWA pilots?
2. If there are more than two lists and we have all been paying dues, would there not be ANOTHER DFR lawsuit as a result?
3. If there are more than two lists, then what list do the people that were hired AFTER the AAA pilots all returned to the new US Airways going to be called?
4. Hey, while were at it let's re-order the Piedmont, Empire, TWA, Reno Air and Air Cal? I say we just go by date of birth! The chance of that is just south of using 3 (or more) lists.

It is a FACT that the Nicolau seniority list is the ONLY seniority list sitting on Parker's desk. Presently IF a contract is negotiated without the Nicolau list, both LCC and USAPA will be co-defendants in another DFR lawsuit (this the question in front of Judge Silver right now). Here's a few more questions:

1. Have you read ANY of the transcripts regarding the declaratory action? Have you read how the judge has been addressing the company? Have you read how the judge is addressing the USAPA legal team? Have you read the LATEST filings from the company attorney (Hint, they mirror Leonidas' position).

Each LCC pilot has lost at least $100,000- $250,000 in income, time off, vacation, and other contract improvements. Some of the more senior pilots are closer to $750,000.00. All for NOTHING. Never to be seen or regained for the fools errand referred to as DOH.


The latest east bid are EMB 190 captains (mostly). JBLU makes $142 and hour for while our EMB190 captains are BELOW $100.00 an hour. Winning! USAPA.....the Charlie Sheen of the airline unions!

Hi CB! You do bring very valid points here and you may very well prevail which means I will be your low paid E jet FO until I die cause he will close PHX if we merge with AA. The reason I say E jet is because that "Term Sheet" will allow Parker (your CEO) to park (maybe that's why his name is parker) all old MD80 ($172/hour per "term Sheet") jets and replace them with E195's (almost the same size) at $116 an hour (per term sheet)...your CEO is a genious God I wish I was in management.

Dumb it down a little for me CB. The TA between US Airways and AWA says that the seniority list becomes effective at the ratification of a contract between the two parties doesn't it? When the dust settles I hope I get to meet you and as your FO I will buy you a beer.

 

[charlie2]

So, the arbitrators for the US/AA SLI will just ignore the Nic?

Don't know. The nic only is a list when US airways pilots and AWA pilots ratify a contract which is spelled out in our transition agreement so if we never ratify a contract what is it then?

 

[weasel_lips]

Speaking as an attorney, you are 100% in error with this statement.

Apparently not a very successful one. A real attorney with a practice would not troll FI.COM telling everyone they are a lawyer and giving out "legal advice" that no one is asking for or cares about.

 

[flygirlqt]

Apparently not a very successful one. A real attorney with a practice would not troll FI.COM telling everyone they are a lawyer and giving out "legal advice" that no one is asking for or cares about.

I'm a prior airline pilot that left the industry, earned a JD from Georgetown and doing quite well now thank you. I do like to come back once in awhile to see all the fun I have been missing and interact with dolts such as yourself.

Let me guess. You're one of those tired old worn out looking hunchbacked white haired USAPIAN's walking around with your urine yellow USAPA lanyards.

 

[cactusboy53]

Hi CB! You do bring very valid points here and you may very well prevail which means I will be your low paid E jet FO until I die cause he will close PHX if we merge with AA. The reason I say E jet is because that "Term Sheet" will allow Parker (your CEO) to park (maybe that's why his name is parker) all old MD80 ($172/hour per "term Sheet") jets and replace them with E195's (almost the same size) at $116 an hour (per term sheet)...your CEO is a genious God I wish I was in management.

Dumb it down a little for me CB. The TA between US Airways and AWA says that the seniority list becomes effective at the ratification of a contract between the two parties doesn't it? When the dust settles I hope I get to meet you and as your FO I will buy you a beer.

It is my hope that we can both be sitting in operations getting paperwork w/ 4 stripes each. I too am concerned about replacing the MD80's w/ Embraer fleet (as long as pay is @ the $116/hr). The fact is the term sheet was negotiated between APA & LCC before the Delta TA & the AMR/APA TA. The CEO's are measuring appendages to see who is longer.

We (LCC pilots) should use these events by convincing our AA counter-parts & APA to re-visit the tenets of the term sheet (look at the DA rates, look at the JBLU E190 rates, revisit the time to mature - perhaps 3 years vs. 6). If LCC wants this done ASAP, perhaps he should offer the term sheet rates and the current AWA contract. DONE. No fuss, no muss, not more than a few days of negotiations vs. MONTHS (including the affiliated expenses of time, travel, lodging, meals, etc.). IMHO.

I think there is more pie available. It's just out of sight. Doug's job is to get us (all) for the least amount of $$. Our job (APA & USAPA) is to get as much $$ from Doug possible.

With regard to our situation, you are correct. A TA must be "ratified" to apply the awaiting seniority list. If I were a betting man, I would say that the end result of LCC & APA (the New AA TA) will be proffered to our entire group (perhaps right about the same time they apply for single carrier status). The statement will be something like: Here it is kids, take it or leave it. There are other ways this could go down. Wish I had my new crystal ball!

BTW: BPR meeting Mon-Wed this week. Drop by if you are in town (this invitation is for everyone).

 

[Turtle21]

I'm a prior airline pilot that left the industry, earned a JD from Georgetown and doing quite well now thank you. I do like to come back once in awhile to see all the fun I have been missing and interact with dolts such as yourself.

Let me guess. You're one of those tired old worn out looking hunchbacked white haired USAPIAN's walking around with your urine yellow USAPA lanyards.

Listen carefully so you can hear the sirens outside. Don't feel bad, there is nothing demeaning about chasing ambulances. :lol:

 

[flygirlqt]

Listen carefully so you can hear the sirens outside. Don't feel bad, there is nothing demeaning about chasing ambulances. :lol:

Now that was funny.

I have a relative that is a "Westicle" so I have been reading up on the cases and following this saga.

 

[charlie2]

It is my hope that we can both be sitting in operations getting paperwork w/ 4 stripes each. I too am concerned about replacing the MD80's w/ Embraer fleet (as long as pay is @ the $116/hr). The fact is the term sheet was negotiated between APA & LCC before the Delta TA & the AMR/APA TA. The CEO's are measuring appendages to see who is longer.

We (LCC pilots) should use these events by convincing our AA counter-parts & APA to re-visit the tenets of the term sheet (look at the DA rates, look at the JBLU E190 rates, revisit the time to mature - perhaps 3 years vs. 6). If LCC wants this done ASAP, perhaps he should offer the term sheet rates and the current AWA contract. DONE. No fuss, no muss, not more than a few days of negotiations vs. MONTHS (including the affiliated expenses of time, travel, lodging, meals, etc.). IMHO.

I think there is more pie available. It's just out of sight. Doug's job is to get us (all) for the least amount of $$. Our job (APA & USAPA) is to get as much $$ from Doug possible.

With regard to our situation, you are correct. A TA must be "ratified" to apply the awaiting seniority list. If I were a betting man, I would say that the end result of LCC & APA (the New AA TA) will be proffered to our entire group (perhaps right about the same time they apply for single carrier status). The statement will be something like: Here it is kids, take it or leave it. There are other ways this could go down. Wish I had my new crystal ball!

BTW: BPR meeting Mon-Wed this week. Drop by if you are in town (this invitation is for everyone).

Hi CB this is scary because I agree with you.

 

[charlie2]

It is my hope that we can both be sitting in operations getting paperwork w/ 4 stripes each. I too am concerned about replacing the MD80's w/ Embraer fleet (as long as pay is @ the $116/hr). The fact is the term sheet was negotiated between APA & LCC before the Delta TA & the AMR/APA TA. The CEO's are measuring appendages to see who is longer.

We (LCC pilots) should use these events by convincing our AA counter-parts & APA to re-visit the tenets of the term sheet (look at the DA rates, look at the JBLU E190 rates, revisit the time to mature - perhaps 3 years vs. 6). If LCC wants this done ASAP, perhaps he should offer the term sheet rates and the current AWA contract. DONE. No fuss, no muss, not more than a few days of negotiations vs. MONTHS (including the affiliated expenses of time, travel, lodging, meals, etc.). IMHO.

I think there is more pie available. It's just out of sight. Doug's job is to get us (all) for the least amount of $$. Our job (APA & USAPA) is to get as much $$ from Doug possible.

With regard to our situation, you are correct. A TA must be "ratified" to apply the awaiting seniority list. If I were a betting man, I would say that the end result of LCC & APA (the New AA TA) will be proffered to our entire group (perhaps right about the same time they apply for single carrier status). The statement will be something like: Here it is kids, take it or leave it. There are other ways this could go down. Wish I had my new crystal ball!

BTW: BPR meeting Mon-Wed this week. Drop by if you are in town (this invitation is for everyone).

Went to the NAC road show last week and west pilots K.H. and R.C. were very sharp and informative. I know and they admit we don't have a lot of teeth on this term sheet but they are working hard to find some sort of leverage.

 

[abefly]

Hi CB! You do bring very valid points here and you may very well prevail which means I will be your low paid E jet FO until I die cause he will close PHX if we merge with AA. The reason I say E jet is because that "Term Sheet" will allow Parker (your CEO) to park (maybe that's why his name is parker) all old MD80 ($172/hour per "term Sheet") jets and replace them with E195's (almost the same size) at $116 an hour (per term sheet)...your CEO is a genious God I wish I was in management.

Dumb it down a little for me CB. The TA between US Airways and AWA says that the seniority list becomes effective at the ratification of a contract between the two parties doesn't it? When the dust settles I hope I get to meet you and as your FO I will buy you a beer.

Parker or Kirby (can't remember which one) addressed this in one of the last crew news sessions. The term sheet has pay protection in it for displacement. So they will be paying 172/hr , as in your example, to MD80 pilots displaced and flying the E Jet