USAirways - How much time? Estimates?

[B1900DFO]

Boeingman,

Of course SWA is a corporation like the rest of them and the almighty dollar has the final say but alteast they pay lip-service to employee morale. At Us Airways it is downright war between management and labor. Why do you think pollock and company keep calling for a change in corporate culture?

As for holding a gun to my head of course I can quit but instead of quitting I choose to come on this board and bitcch a bit. I'm certainly not the only one who goes a little over the top with bitch#ng on this board but I would rather do it here and get it out of my system than in the cockpit on a four day like many others chose to. That drives me nuts. I'll tone it down here a bit though so I don't offend you. I think you take this board a little to seriously or else I don't take it serious enough. I'm not looking forward to people loosing their livelihood I was just illustrating how bad morale is over there that even some employees are completely fed up. Just message board venting.

As for callous, I seem to remember some pretty hateful comments coming from you towards those guys over at Ual. Many references to the "prima-donna brain surgeons" and how many were "salivating over ual's demise." But that's different right???

 

[On Your Six]

I'll bet Richard Branson is licking his CHOPS right about now...

Honestly, with the rising fuel prices not expected to abate any time soon and the increased pressure from SWA, Jetblue, AirTran and Delta/Song (DAL just announced hourly flights from PHL to ATL), it can't be much longer without a huge equity investment and a total strategy change. I'll bet McKinsey could draw up a new strategy for $10 million or so...

Hate to see this situation for the USAirways folks. However, let's hope there are ample opportunities for all when Virgin America and other existing LCCs fill the void...

 

[Boeingman]

Boeingman,

Of course SWA is a corporation like the rest of them and the almighty dollar has the final say but alteast they pay lip-service to employee morale. At Us Airways it is downright war between management and labor. Why do you think pollock and company keep calling for a change in corporate culture?

And you don't think it could ever happen to them? If someone told you the above 20 years ago about USAir they would of said you were smoking crack.

Mangement employee relations are only as good as the bottom line. Today's dream job could end up being a disaster by the time you retire. Assuming of course you're lucky enough to retire from the same airline.

or holding a gun to my head of course I can quit but instead of quitting I choose to come on this board and bitcch a bit. I'm certainly not the only one who goes a little over the top with bitch#ng on this board but I would rather do it here and get it out of my system than in the cockpit on a four day like many others chose to. That drives me nuts. I'll tone it down here a bit though so I don't offend you. I think you take this board a little to seriously or else I don't take it serious enough. I'm not looking forward to people loosing their livelihood I was just illustrating how bad morale is over there that even some employees are completely fed up. Just message board venting.

Over there? I thought you said "you were an employee"? I don't take this seriously and I am not offended. You're the one making an ass out of yourself.

As for callous, I seem to remember some pretty hateful comments coming from you towards those guys over at Ual. Many references to the "prima-donna brain surgeons" and how many were "salivating over ual's demise." But that's different right???

Yes I did. And I was very carefull (and you have pointed out) to include the term Brain Surgeons for a very select group over there. For the rest I feel for them and have said such time and again. I'm sure this went over your head but is that a good enough clarification for you?

And yes we have many people drooling over UAL's demise. It is a true statement. There are numerous ex FAL pilots here and anyone from the old Denver base has horror stories of the treatment by UAL employees towards CAL employees in Denver.

 

[rjcap]

Mr. Lakefield’s job is to take the airline apart. How long will that take? Who knows?

Bullseye !!

Lakefield is an investment banker. He is there to get ready to sell of the pieces to Branson and anybody else who's in the bidding. Maybe even J.O. ???

 

[B1900DFO]

Boeingman,

I agree that employee management relations can turn on a dime, you are right with that one. As for my past comments they were insensitive and made in frustration, I apologize. However I seem to remeber you saying that the arrogance at ual was typical of their brain surgeon mentality and you did not qualify that to a small group, but maybe my memory is wrong. Whatever. I'm out.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

I will also bet that everyone's favorite snake Johnny Orenstien at Mesa has plans to fly bigger equipment at employee costs that would make Jet Blue raise their eyes.


Some Mesa sources say he's already applying the 737-300's onto the Freedom certificate which has for some odd reason been kept alive.

I'm beginning to think its all been a plan also, the April resignation bonus is pretty suspicious.

This industry is making me paranoid.

 

[blahshmah]

Not only the resignation bonus... how about that 1 hour video-appeal to U employees that was made available to EVERYONE. I'm starting to think it was merely put out for 3 reasons:

1. If Ch. 7 happens, management can point to it and blame the employees.

2. Siegal can point to it with respect to good employee communication when he gets his next airline executive job.

3. CYA for Siegel for any legal action.

Any other conspiracy theories out there about the video??

 

[Propsync]

I would think before the end of the year. Anyway, my question to all of you is- If the PDT-ALG lists/companies combine, do you think JO at Mesa will put a bid in, or could he wait for a better deal in Chp. 7? I suppose now that PSA is taking CRJ's, you could put them in as well. Just curious.

Sync

 

[MW44]

That could actually be a big step up for us WO guys at Pdt/alg if JO bought us. However if US Airways survives I guess we are all guaranteed jobs at mainline. Too bad it doesn't look like it's going to work out becuase there are going to be a lot of retirements at Airways in the next 10 years.

 

[Splert]

MESA isn’t going to buy anything. JO needed to float paper in order to make a down payment on the newest RJs. US Airways needs cash not stock or other promises to pay later.

Splert...Out!

 

[On Your Six]

Sorry to say it, but I think it's time for USAirway's to turn off the lights. Not a popular viewpoint I am sure. Clearly, more cost cuts will be sought - an endless wave of cost cuts... Haven't the employees already endured enough? How much more pain should be felt (plus the anxiety of more cuts around every corner). Next thing you know, the industry bar for wages will drop EVEN FURTHER and everyone's standards will plummet....

I believe that all of the LCCs (including the new ones - Independence Air and Virgin America) will fill in the VOID and hopefully offer jobs to the experienced employees out there. I bet that AirTran and Jet Blue would step up hiring if USAirways tanked to fill in the void - plus, Virgin America would probably accelerate startup plans and maybe even buy pieces of the old USAirways (like the Shuttle).

It's time to start over with some fresh perspectives... Good luck to all involved!

 

[Sioux115]

Mesa 737

I have heard a lot of speculation about the only way Airways can continue to operate would be at 1/3 its current size. Leaving a lot of flying open on the east coast that good ol' Johnny O intends to pick up with his new Freedom 737 adventure out of PIT and clean house.

 

[Azul]

To all USAIR employee's:

My prayers to all. Especially those with families. Hopefully things will work out. Everything said on this board is pure speculation, know one really knows what will happen, thats the only thing we know for sure.