USAirways / America West call from Pilot Recruitment

[Groucho]

The company wants 160 pilots a month from training. Training can only supply 106 per month maximum East and West.

Nobody knows how many of the furloughed pilots will return given the E190 situaition. Plans on the 190 are for 11 by the end of 2007 and 25 on the property by October 2008.
Additional factors in the equation are the age 60 rule and overall fleet plans.

Any fleet modernization will generate a lot of training float and additional pilots will be needed. It has been said by some in management that it is conceiveable that the company will hire off the street by the end of the year or in the first quarter of 2008.

 

[ifly2slo]

AG - you seem extremely informed - thanks for all the info ... what do you think about the career prospects of going to US Airways as a new hire on the E190? My other choices - stay at a fractional that treats me well and/or eventually accept a recall to AA (~2000 pilots away from a recall ... anybody's guess as to how long that will take).

 

[Swaayze]

I'll trade you seniority numbers. My 7/99 at LCC for your AA!

You would be going to the 190 in PHL, working under the East contract. Not a pretty picture really, unless you live near PHL and really, really dislike AA.

 

[Swaayze]

Here is my quickie adjustment with cumulative numbers below. Don't we only have about 6000 pilots now including the APLers (I figure about 1000 of those will never come back)? If so then a newhire would be looking at about #5000 of 5000 actives. It seems that almost everyone on the list will retire by 2027, that doesn't sound quite right to me. If correct then it'd be about 7 yrs to captain. But.... I'm guessing your numbers are actually assuming age 60, not 65 (is that right?), so that would change things as well as 65 is practically a done deal IMO.


The retirements are very heavy on the East. Here is a list of retirements per year from each side based on age 65:

Year / East / West / Cumulative

2007 / 228 / 43 / 271
2008 / 177 / 46 / 494
2009 / 232 / 47 / 773
2010 / 194 / 52 / 1019
2011 / 246 / 44 / 1309
2012 / 267 / 65 / 1641
2013 / 283 / 51 / 1975
2014 / 289 / 77 / 2341
2015 / 289 / 69 / 2699
2016 / 292 / 68 / 3059
2017 / 255 / 66 / 3380
2018 / 261 / 85 / 3726
2019 / 209 / 78 / 4013
2020 / 222 / 88 / 4323
2021 / 168 / 90 / 4581
2022 / 165 / 94 / 4840
2023 / 148 / 77 / 5065
2024 / 118 / 92 / 5275
2025 / 97 / 94 / 5466
2026 / 103 / 77 / 5646
2027 / 109 / 68 / 5823

 

[sean67]

ALG

did you mean age 60 rule on those retirement numbers?

PS: I'm a 8/3/99 hire and got called for group2 or higher class. I'm on orders. so I'm accepting,but on immediate mil. leave.

 

[152SIC]

It seems like the assumptions for the retirement figures are for age 60. Otherwise those being forced to retire in 2007 & 08 would be ages 64 & 65, and still actively flying?

 

[Formula1]

I was hired into the pool at AWA back in March of 2005- I recieved a voicemail yesterday from USAirways HR as well- never actually talked to the guy though.

 

[Swaayze]

Interesting. I think they're really worried that they'll need to hire from outside for the 190 very soon.

 

[Crzipilot]

This came from Dean C., Furlough Administrator. Here is an excerpt from an email talking about the recall to the 190:

"...they just know they will have trouble
filling the positions and want to know how many APL pilots will accept.
If they can't fill them then they will be offered to the 39 pilots in
the AWA hiring pool and then off the street. They need the lead time to
find pilots if there are not enough here to fill them. I think they
will get enough this time but not sure about next year."

Interesting, I, nor other fuloughees I know got that email. Was it to all the furloughees or just yourself? Just curious....

Also what's interesting, is if AWA wins their CEL arbitration, then where does that leave you guys??? Wasn't their argument, that you shouldn't have been put on the list? Or just that your numbers shouldn't be counted? Either way, should be interesting.

 

[BenderGonzales]

Shocking. The furlough administrator failed to send one of his timely "once every 1.5 year" updates to everyone on the list. (yawn)

The furlough administrators have been useless since the day we left the property.

 

[Crzipilot]

Yah, I know,....just curious...

 

[ALGFLYR]

ALG

did you mean age 60 rule on those retirement numbers?

My bad. It was a typo. Those numbers were based on age 60. The east numbers also included the entire list including furloughed pilots on the list. Sorry for the confusion...

 

[ALGFLYR]

Interesting, I, nor other fuloughees I know got that email. Was it to all the furloughees or just yourself? Just curious....

Also what's interesting, is if AWA wins their CEL arbitration, then where does that leave you guys??? Wasn't their argument, that you shouldn't have been put on the list? Or just that your numbers shouldn't be counted? Either way, should be interesting.

Dean regularly posts on a yahoo group for MDA pilots. That is where that came from.

Not to re-open this very old argument, but every pilot that flew at MDA was flying an aircraft on the AAA operating certificate and was on the AAA seniority list. The Arbitrator is tasked with combining the two lists, not determining who should be on the lists. Thats like us making an argument that every AWA pilot that flew DHC-8's on the AWA operating certificate should be removed. They flew an aircraft on the AWA certificate (DHC-8) and were on the seniority list. Personally, I think they were over-reaching in trying to remove CEL pilots in hopes to assure our place on the bottom of the list - which is probably where we will end up. And with no expectation of anything different, I think we will be OK with that. But most CEL pilots were active AAA pilots for almost 2 years flying AAA aircraft....

 

[Carl S.]

That said "EXPRESS" on the side.

 

[sean67]

My bad. It was a typo. Those numbers were based on age 60. The east numbers also included the entire list including furloughed pilots on the list. Sorry for the confusion...

No man! Thanks for getting that list together. I think those dudes asking for a beyond 60 waiver are taking a shot in the dark..hopefully that won't happen and we can get some movement at this joint before the dreaded 65 thing goes thru in 2 yrs....if at all.