USAIR East Pilots not alone.

[DeucesWild]

I ran into a RAH FO yesterday on the crew bus. He was not happy with the award either. F9 fo's can upgrade into RAH RJ's but the RAH FO's can't touch the Bus for 7 years. Upgrade times just increased.

The whole point is that no one seems to have received a real "windfall". How is it unfair?

That said I think this Nanette has a snowball's chance in h*ll of succeeding.

Let me offer an analogy you may understand. Let's say that SWA had not bought Airtran, but instead Pinnacle had bought Airtran. An arbritrator decides that three fourths of the Pinnacle pilots should be senior to you (including Pinnacle FOs that had not even flown a twin engine airplane prior to the time you began working at Airtran). Any career progression would have to happen within the next 7 years, because after that you will be permanently stagnated as a couple thousand senior Pinnacle pilots will take any open position.

And your RAH bus buddy mislead you a little bit. There is a 7 year fence that goes both ways. The RAH RJs are off limits to F9 people for 7 years also (except the 190 - but no F9 FO would have enough seniority to bid it - plus it would be a pay cut - plus the RAH contract sucks. And I don't believe a senior Airbus captain could bid to the 190 even if they preferred to work at RAH instead of Frontier).

Your RAH bus buddy is most likely unhappy because he feels entitled to the Airbus now instead of in 7 years, or is so junior he feels the ratio should have been 6:1 so he got a windfall also (I mean after all - RAH did buy Frontier).

And as a final note, I will agree with you. I do not believe this lawsuit has a snowballs chance in hell of succeeding (unfortunately).

 

[bri5150]

Let me offer an analogy you may understand. Let's say that SWA had not bought Airtran, but instead Pinnacle had bought Airtran. An arbritrator decides that three fourths of the Pinnacle pilots should be senior to you (including Pinnacle FOs that had not even flown a twin engine airplane prior to the time you began working at Airtran). Any career progression would have to happen within the next 7 years, because after that you will be permanently stagnated as a couple thousand senior Pinnacle pilots will take any open position.

I am not sure why people don't understand this.

 

[sqwkvfr]

None of this will matter once Hawaiian completes their buyout of the Frontier certificate and takes only the airbuses. This will happen! I demand it!!!!!!!

My prediction results in the Frontier pilots learning to use the call sign "Cactus."

 

[Lear70]

Thanks for explaining it. Good luck guys.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Well, I lost this bet. Let's see if we can get it past 5 pages now.

 

[USMC319]

Thank you. That's exactly my point. The term "mainline" is meaningless. No one ever said F9 didn't qualify as a Major. But it seems F9 pilots like to use the term "mainline" to falsely inflate their position vis-a-vis RAH pilots.
Yep.

Not true. Prior to 2002, Frontier was a stand alone "National" airline. They had not yet passed the billion dollar threshold to be considered a "Major" airline. Sometime in 2002 they decided to contract with Mesa Airlines to fly regional feed using 50 seat RJs dubbed "Frontier Jet Express". At that time the real Frontier Airlines was referred to as "Mainline" as a distinction in quality and service. Mesa's service was so horrible and unreliable that Frontier decided to go with a more quality carrier, so they contracted with Horizon Airlines using CRJ7s to fly "Frontier Jet Express" also a distinction from Mainline.

While Horizon provided exceptional service, primarily due to the professionalism of their crews, Frontier decided to go with a cheaper feeder by contracting with RAH for their Frontier Jet Express service. The EMB-170s provided a much nicer product for our passengers, but they proved to be an inefficient airplane to feed a LCC and were scrapped during BK. Somewhere after the Mesa debacle, Frontier Holdings decided to create a wholly-owned sub called Lynx Aviation, which was also dubbed Frontier Jet Express and fed Frontier mainline.

The current structure of the airline is:
Frontier Airlines (mainline), A-320 series.
Frontier Airlines (operated by Republic), EMB-190/195.
Frontier Express (operated by Republic/Chatauqua), EMB170, ERJs, and Q400.

So, I know when we speak of "mainline" it really grinds your gears but mainline certainly is appropriate when talking about the Frontier

 

[Fubijaakr]

So, I know when we speak of "mainline" it really grinds your gears but mainline certainly is appropriate when talking about the Frontier

Personally, I don't care what you call yourself. I just wish you'd use the proper radio call sign: Frontier Flight.

 

[Raoul Duke]

I think they should have to use Brickyard

 

[Fubijaakr]

I think they should have to use Brickyard

Good point.

Perhaps they should be:

Republic mainline.
Republic airlines.
Republic express.

The only thing more sickening than a Republic E-190 painted in Midwest Express colors is a Skywest CRJ in Alaska colors.

 

[terryhfly]

Personally, I don't care what you call yourself. I just wish you'd use the proper radio call sign: Frontier Flight.

When ATC starts using that call sign, so will I. I have not come across Frontier Flying Servie in the lower 48. When we go to Anchorage we have to use the "Frontier Flt". If this is your biggest problem with Frontier you need to expand your horizons.