USAir class of 99' - Recall Pay-Rates?

[camper1159]

Maybe some pilots were booted for unacceptable behavior.

Yes, several ACTIVE pilots have been booted for unacceptable behavior, specifically aggressively challenging the integrity of the then-MEC Chairman, who, among other things, refused to obtain a medical certificate for over three years, since he did not have to fly.

 

[Swaayze]

Good info here:

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/us_airways.html

Info very sparse for furloughees. Would be nice to have the Furlough Administrator (last I knew it is a paid position btw) send out some info. Last APL I have is a year old. Have no idea what the contract/transition agreement looks like. ALPA website unavailable if you work for another ALPA carrier. How do we make an informed decision with no info? Will have to do some digging on our own I guess.

 

[BeCareful!]

There are two message boards for AAA. One is open to both furloughed and active pilots, and one is only open to active pilots.

At first, a large number of active pilots boycotted the "active" board, as a nod to the furloughees. These days, the "open" board is pretty quiet, and I'm thinking the majority of talk goes on on the active board (with the BOS FO rep doing a great deal of the talking.)

 

[LearLove]

on another note - preliminary info on the furlough survey - by the furlough coodr on the MDA site says that many plan to return and the 190 will be staffed by thoes on the APL list - no indication having to go to the WO or street hires to find takers.

 

[LearLove]

There are two message boards for AAA. One is open to both furloughed and active pilots, and one is only open to active pilots.

At first, a large number of active pilots boycotted the "active" board, as a nod to the furloughees. These days, the "open" board is pretty quiet, and I'm thinking the majority of talk goes on on the active board (with the BOS FO rep doing a great deal of the talking.)

I don't think that having to board is a problem anymore with j4j and MDA guy returning to the mainline they now have access to both. If anything was on there indicated no good twards the rest of the APL I'm sure on of these guys would pick it up and send the info to the proper people.

 

[LearLove]

also remember there are only 3 190's comming this year then 1 per month on 2007. So by the end of 2007 there will only be 15 190's at mainline. excluding instructors at 10 line pilot per aircraft thats 150 piulots to staff the 190 - 75 ca and 75 fo. There are atleast 1500 on the APL. I say atleast 1000 of them are comming back. 1000 APL to fill 150 positions over the next 17 months. Plus depending on the merger the callback to the AB/Boeing could be very slow even with retirements if management starts shelling 737's.

Bottom line is I think it will be along time before they get thru the APL.

 

[Swaayze]

1000 takers!?

Nah, maybe half that - but only at the final decision (accept or resign). I think it'll be no better than 5 to 1 passing on the first call and/or 190 slots. BWTHDIK?

 

[Itsallsogood]

Bender,
I asked (AWA MEC) they said that if an FO comes back with longevity he/she could be paid a higher rate than someone on the property for a longer time. Then after a new contract, someone with less senority could get a higher percentage increase in pay than someone perhaps senior.

 

[BenderGonzales]

Thank you for checking. Just trying to gather the facts to make an educated decision if/when they call.

Unfortunately its looking as if the E190 rates are simply too low to consider a recall to that equipment.

 

[LearLove]

"Just trying to gather the facts to make an educated decision"

bender you know by now its all a giant crap shoot anyway - feeling luckey??

 

[BenderGonzales]

No. Not particularly. <grin> I'm socking away money like a squirrel before winter in preparation for the next career catastrophy.

 

[Saabslime]

Would a furloughee hired in 99 be returning with 3 years longevity or with 7?

You're kidding right? How could you even fathom getting credit for time while laid off?

 

[BenderGonzales]

I can fathom a lot of things. At one time I thought I was going to retire as the number one Airbus 330 (or equivalent) Captain.

I also thought that I had the "brass ring" career.

I also thought that "Jetblue" sounded like a mouthwash and that they would be out of business in six months.

My ability to fathom the improbable is not in question.

 

[Swaayze]

You're kidding right? How could you even fathom getting credit for time while laid off?

I think some other airlines had that provision for past furloughs. Not sure anyone still accrues longevity while on furlough. But I do have a buddy who recently accepted recall to UAL, took immediate LOA, and (at least thinks he) is accruing longevity, reducing the time for his seat lock, and is on UAL bennies.

Of course LCC has no such provision to my knowledge.

 

[PlaneDrvr]

Don't want to confuse anyone with the "Facts"

You're kidding right? How could you even fathom getting credit for time while laid off?

At Airways, under the 1997 contract (as with previous contacts), furloughees continued to accrue longevity even while on furlough. Those hired after the 1997 contract were not covered by this provision. So, it is possible to "even fathom" it; he was just incorrect as to who was 'covered' by this provision of the contract. Later, I believe in 2002, with the first 'concessionary contract,' the company took this back, and effective Jan. 2003, no pilot on furlough would continue to accrue longevity, regardless of seniority/hire date.

Over the years, many union contacts (at airlines, as well as other industries), there were provisions whereby furloughees would continue to accure longevity, even though 'layed off.'

"Not kidding" Just the facts. But, again, wouldn't want to confuse anyone here with the 'Facts.'

 

[BenderGonzales]

I wasn't aware that it happened that way. Funny that it happened in 02 once all of the furloughees were long gone.

Good ol' ALPA. Want some ketchup with your young?

 

[BenderGonzales]

Saw on USAviation.com that there were 15 recalls on the latest East bid.

 

[Swaayze]

Yes, good news!

Now the disclaimer: Unfortunately it's a further net reduction of about 60 pilots IIRC. The incredible shrinking airline indeed! Only AA does it better.

 

[BenderGonzales]

Things seem to be spooling up. If the retirement age isn't raised to 65 too quickly they may be able to make some headway on recalls in 07.

 

[thruthemurk]

AWA had no provision in their contract during their last furlough, but admirably made it a "must have" when they signed their first contract back in 1995. In the most extreme example, pilots on the property one day before being furloughed came back at fifth year pay. Surely Doogie can sign on for perpuetuating this trend?

AA may have also given longevity credit during their furlough of the early 90's - I don't have direct knowledge - maybe someone can weigh in.

I would expect to see several airlines also negotiate this credit over the coming year or two.