USAir class of 99' - Recall Pay-Rates?

[BenderGonzales]

Just wondering if anyone knows what the payrate and guarantee would be for a pilot hired in 99' at USAir if he accepts recall:

To the E190 (f/o)
To the E190 (c/o)
To the Boeing, Airbus, etc?

Is there a commuter clause? How would that work with a possible 2-leg commute?

Also, does anyone know if they expect you to make the decision on the day that the telephone rings, or if you have a period of time to decide? And will they provide at least 2 weeks between acceptance and class?

I realize this is all jumping the gun, but want to be prepared IF the call ever comes. (The call for MidAtlantic Captain caught me off-guard. Thankfully I turned it down, but i'd like to be better prepared this time.)

Thanks

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

If your were hired in '99 it depends on how much time on property you had when furloughed. I'll assume you had 3 years on property so if you come back you'll be at $82 an hour for CA and $46 an hour for FO.

I'm not sure of the commuter clause, we have one at AWA, but the 190 will be on U's certificate with their work rules so you'd have to look at the contract you had over there.

I think there's a way to bypass totally or until you're recalled as CA if you want to without giving up your right to recall later since these are growth planes.

If you need a copy of the Transition Agreement I'll email it; PM me.

 

[Bringupthebird]

The hew and cry goes up when mini-mainliners go to a regional carrier like Mesa, but when they're brought in-house everyone wants to by-pass recall.

What gives? Are you like an NFL player holding out for a better deal as training camp approaches? Bids are processed in seniority order, so unless you fear the seat lock, what are people holding out for? Maybe they'll be growth airplanes (although Parker denies growth plans) or maybe not. But isn't getting back in the pipeline for bigger equipment better than where they are now? And if not, why not resign and start over somewhere else with a brighter future?

 

[BenderGonzales]

Yeah sorry. 3 years and 2 months on the property.

 

[acbarney]

(The call for MidAtlantic Captain caught me off-guard. Thankfully I turned it down, but i'd like to be better prepared this time.)

Thanks

When were you hired and when was the call for mid atlantic captain?

I'm a 6/99 hire, i got called for a mid atlantic fo spot but not captain spot about two years ago.

I had to resign my seniority for the job I had two years ago, but still got called. I'm just curious if I will get called again.

 

[BenderGonzales]

Hired in 1/99 and got the call in summer of 04 for MidAtlantic F/O and then Capt a few days later.

I suspect you will be called again when your number comes up.

 

[BenderGonzales]

Sorry, I probably misunderstood. The $46/hr copilot rate on the E190 is based on 3 years longevity right?

Would a furloughee hired in 99 be returning with 3 years longevity or with 7?

Thanks

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Bender,

Can the union give you all that info? If not, I wonder why not....

 

[BenderGonzales]

I suppose I could email the furlough administrator for the answer. But why not share the information here in case other have the same question.

What those who are still on the line seem not to realize is that there is very little information forthcoming from either the company OR the union. And if you've gone to work for another ALPA carrier in the interim, you no longer have access to the ALPA website.

So any information is appreciated.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

This is a bit of thread creep....


What kind of services are those ALPA employees, who just struck for more pay, supposed to provide?

Some union dude or dudette should be able to help out the USAir furloughees. What good are they if they can't help the most crapped on members they have??? Them telling you its too bad and they can't help you because you can't access the website is total BS.

Can you guys fire ALPA? Sounds like it wouldn't hurt anything.

 

[joevollers]

The payscale tops out at 6yr pay at 52.16/hr until 2009 then goes up a whopping $1/yr

as an aside I'm sure you MEC could have provide the info...(not saying this for your benefit, but rather the pompous ones whose union has yet to furlough)

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Pompous??

Not sure how you got that. Not negative, accusing, paranoid, argumentative, naive, opinionated, bullheaded....But pompous???

But there are plenty of those types running around. I don't like the pompous attitude of some pilots or other employees in unions ANYWHERE (ALPA is the biggest target among many)

I personally feel if someone doesn't believe furlough can happen to them (especially at SWA and, yes, even FedEx), they are whistling past the graveyard.

So call me pompous if you will. Name calling appears to be the rule around here. Somehow it makes those who do it feel smarter and better.

 

[iflyhigh]

BenderGonzales:

You can get access to USAir alpa website. It can be a process. What you will have to do is contact ALPA national, which is a cluster or call you local office and talk to the communications person. Give them your USAir alpa local council number and your name and alpa number. State that you were furloughed from USAir and would like to have access to both website.

Many furloughees that are working for another alpa carrier have received dual access. This way you will have access to the important information.

iflyhigh

 

[camper1159]

You can get access to USAir alpa website...State that you were furloughed from USAir and would like to have access to both website.

Many furloughees that are working for another alpa carrier have received dual access.

Sorry, no dice at US Airways.

The MEC kicked all furloughees off their website, since, on the Message Boards, many were critical of the MEC Chairman and his henchmen.

So sorry, the US Airways MEC, especially the BOS FO rep, do not want to acknowledge your existence.

The current MEC Vice Chairman even admitted he wanted the furloughees cut off the merged list.

 

[rayford steele]

Sorry, no dice at US Airways.

The current MEC Vice Chairman even admitted he wanted the furloughees cut off the merged list.

Could you direct me to who said it and when? Was it actually recorded or written? I would love to have a copy of that for my records. Thanks.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Bender, as far as I know, its time on property for your pay rate when you return.

 

[LearLove]

Sorry, no dice at US Airways.

The MEC kicked all furloughees off their website, since, on the Message Boards, many were critical of the MEC Chairman and his henchmen.

So sorry, the US Airways MEC, especially the BOS FO rep, do not want to acknowledge your existence.

The current MEC Vice Chairman even admitted he wanted the furloughees cut off the merged list.

Actually NO, the most reciently furloughed, thoes at MDA have been allowed to retian access - I haven't tried the message boards though. For any U furloughee that wants to regain access I pretty sure all they have to do is send an email to the furlough coord. and he will send something to ALPA then your back in. Thats what I did back in Jan of this year.

 

[BenderGonzales]

Thanks to all for the answers. Guess we'll sit back and wait now.

 

[FLYLOW22]

The MEC kicked all furloughees off their website, since, on the Message Boards, many were critical of the MEC Chairman and his henchmen.

Funny... I'm on the message board right now.

Might check your info before you lose credibility by speading untruths. Maybe some pilots were booted for unacceptable behavior.... who knows.

Would you like me to check a threAAAd for you?

 

[camper1159]

CLARIFICATION:
The past Communicatuions Chairman (now MEC Chairman) tried to get a resolution passed a few years back to ban the furloughees and retirees.

Initially it failed, but later, with the assistance of the embattled MEC Chair Pollock, the resolution passed. Sold to the MEC as a way to ban furloughees that were now working for other (specifically non-ALPA - JetBlue) carriers, and retirees.

It may have been reversed recently, call the Bobbie in the MEC office in PIT and ask her for copies of the MEC meeting agenda items dealing with the Message Board.

As for MEC VC's comments about the furloughees? I have been told that he has recently denied those comments, but unfortunately for him they were witnessed by other MEC members.

 

[camper1159]

Maybe some pilots were booted for unacceptable behavior.

Yes, several ACTIVE pilots have been booted for unacceptable behavior, specifically aggressively challenging the integrity of the then-MEC Chairman, who, among other things, refused to obtain a medical certificate for over three years, since he did not have to fly.

 

[Swaayze]

Good info here:

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/us_airways.html

Info very sparse for furloughees. Would be nice to have the Furlough Administrator (last I knew it is a paid position btw) send out some info. Last APL I have is a year old. Have no idea what the contract/transition agreement looks like. ALPA website unavailable if you work for another ALPA carrier. How do we make an informed decision with no info? Will have to do some digging on our own I guess.

 

[BeCareful!]

There are two message boards for AAA. One is open to both furloughed and active pilots, and one is only open to active pilots.

At first, a large number of active pilots boycotted the "active" board, as a nod to the furloughees. These days, the "open" board is pretty quiet, and I'm thinking the majority of talk goes on on the active board (with the BOS FO rep doing a great deal of the talking.)

 

[LearLove]

on another note - preliminary info on the furlough survey - by the furlough coodr on the MDA site says that many plan to return and the 190 will be staffed by thoes on the APL list - no indication having to go to the WO or street hires to find takers.

 

[LearLove]

There are two message boards for AAA. One is open to both furloughed and active pilots, and one is only open to active pilots.

At first, a large number of active pilots boycotted the "active" board, as a nod to the furloughees. These days, the "open" board is pretty quiet, and I'm thinking the majority of talk goes on on the active board (with the BOS FO rep doing a great deal of the talking.)

I don't think that having to board is a problem anymore with j4j and MDA guy returning to the mainline they now have access to both. If anything was on there indicated no good twards the rest of the APL I'm sure on of these guys would pick it up and send the info to the proper people.

 

[LearLove]

also remember there are only 3 190's comming this year then 1 per month on 2007. So by the end of 2007 there will only be 15 190's at mainline. excluding instructors at 10 line pilot per aircraft thats 150 piulots to staff the 190 - 75 ca and 75 fo. There are atleast 1500 on the APL. I say atleast 1000 of them are comming back. 1000 APL to fill 150 positions over the next 17 months. Plus depending on the merger the callback to the AB/Boeing could be very slow even with retirements if management starts shelling 737's.

Bottom line is I think it will be along time before they get thru the APL.

 

[Swaayze]

1000 takers!?

Nah, maybe half that - but only at the final decision (accept or resign). I think it'll be no better than 5 to 1 passing on the first call and/or 190 slots. BWTHDIK?

 

[Itsallsogood]

Bender,
I asked (AWA MEC) they said that if an FO comes back with longevity he/she could be paid a higher rate than someone on the property for a longer time. Then after a new contract, someone with less senority could get a higher percentage increase in pay than someone perhaps senior.

 

[BenderGonzales]

Thank you for checking. Just trying to gather the facts to make an educated decision if/when they call.

Unfortunately its looking as if the E190 rates are simply too low to consider a recall to that equipment.

 

[LearLove]

"Just trying to gather the facts to make an educated decision"

bender you know by now its all a giant crap shoot anyway - feeling luckey??