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Medivacer said:
It's not official yet, but she's been suspended (whatever that means) for posing in Playboy.

Here the link
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,243178,00.html

What the hell was she thinking, that she wouldn't get in any trouble?
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Why should she get in trouble? She has done nothing illegal.

Instead of condemming people like her, the military should embrace people who remain individuals but still do their job well and serve their country.
 
michael707767 said:
Why should she get in trouble? She has done nothing illegal. quote]

Quote from the link story:

"This staff sergeant's alleged action does not meet the high standards we expect of our airmen, nor does it comply with the Air Force's core values of integrity, service before self, and excellence in all we do," Oscar Balladares, spokesman for Lackland Air Force Base, said in a statement.
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michael707767 said:
Why should she get in trouble? She has done nothing illegal.
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Doing porn movies isn't illegal either, but the military sets a higher standard of conduct for its folks. Now, admittedly, our culture has whittled away at that standard over the past few decades and some of it has creeped into miltary society. Being "legal" isn't good enough.
Yes, it is discrimination. And that's good. We discriminate against folks that can't pass certain physical tests; you can't be a pilot if you don't pass certain vision tests; if you get into financial trouble, it can affect your military career. You have to have a 4-year college degree to be commissioned as an officer.
And, to help maintain "good order and discipline", as well of a host of other reasons that I'm not going to spend time typing, you need to stay out of Playboy.
Side note: to do "outside employment" while in the military, you have to get your commander's approval.
 
I have no problem with the SSgt doing a little modeling on the side just like I don't have a problem with boys being boys at Tailhook. Lose the double standard and leave her be.
 
michael707767 said:
Why should she get in trouble? She has done nothing illegal.

Instead of condemming people like her, the military should embrace people who remain individuals but still do their job well and serve their country.
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So you're saying that just because what she's done dosen't break any laws, that she shouldn't be held to a higher standard anyway? She knew what she was doing, and knew the consequences.
 
Huggyu2 said:
Doing porn movies isn't illegal either, but the military sets a higher standard of conduct for its folks. .......And, to help maintain "good order and discipline", as well of a host of other reasons that I'm not going to spend time typing, you need to stay out of Playboy.
Side note: to do "outside employment" while in the military, you have to get your commander's approval.
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I understand everything you said. I just disagree. I fail to see how an attactive woman, with a good body, a body she probably maintains during her miltary training, undermines good order and discipline.

As to your side note, thats one reason I left the military. As long as I am not doing anything illegal and I am fit and able to show up for duty and do my job, I don't think it's any of the military's business what job, if any, I do on my personal time.

But thats off the point. Show me where she has done anything to undermine order and discipline and I will agree that something needs to be done.

If the Air Force had just ignored this, very, very few people would have even known and it would have blown over in a week.
 
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michael707767 said:
I understand everything you said. I just disagree. I fail to see how an attractive woman, with a good body, a body she probably maintains during her military training, undermines good order and discipline.

As to your side note, thats one reason I left the military. As long as I am not doing anything illegal and I am fit and able to show up for duty and do my job, I don't think it's any of the military's business what job, if any, I do on my personal time.

But thats off the point. Show me where she has done anything to undermine order and discipline and I will agree that something needs to be done.

If the Air Force had just ignored this, very, very few people would have even known and it would have blown over in a week.
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As a drill instructor for new recruits, it will undermine her authority. I can see it now, "Dude! Did you see our new DI in this months Playboy?...Man she is hot! Every time she walks by all I can see is that nude glossy of her in Playboy. I'd sure love to do her!" That is just the mild PC version of what I'm sure would transpire. Kind of like the high school teachers that seem to think it is OK to sleep with their students. She broke so many rules and standards of military conduct she is probably lucky not to be punished more severely or even court marshaled.
 
michael707767 said:
I don't think it's any of the military's business what job, if any, I do on my personal time.
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We'll agree to disagree.
I think many of us consider the military career a "vocation". Although I have weekends off usually, my "personal time" can be taken away. It's a cliche, but we are accountable to the military 24/7. IBM might only own me for 40 hours a week, but I don't work for IBM anymore.
You didn't like that, so you left, and that's fair. We all appreciate the time and sacrifices you did make.
I like the "higher standard", even if it is slipping every year. I'll stay if they'll let me.
 
erj-145mech said:
michael707767 said:
Why should she get in trouble? She has done nothing illegal. quote]

Quote from the link story:

"This staff sergeant's alleged action does not meet the high standards we expect of our airmen, nor does it comply with the Air Force's core values of integrity, service before self, and excellence in all we do," Oscar Balladares, spokesman for Lackland Air Force Base, said in a statement.
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Except the USAF Academy......

Now, lets all bow our heads in evangelical prayer.....:rolleyes:
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She's a Desert 8, maybe.
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No way. She's a Stateside 8++, a Desert 10. Her bestfriend in the picture, that's a Desert 8.
One thing for sure. She won't be in front of the new recruits any more. She'll be sent to a desk job, or even to Randolph. Humm, I think I'm moving to San Antonio! :pimp:
 
Air Force pin-up woman

I saw that story on the news today. Hey, if she were my DI, would have absolutely NO PROBLEMS doing push-ups on her...I meant.. for her. I don't think the military should be talking too loudly about high standards and ethics after some of the events at Abu Ghraib Prison. Some of those "high and mighty" military types (especially the higher-ups in the military) who said what this woman did was wrong and unethical, need to chill out and get a life.
 
Come on guys. This is all PR. She wants to get thrown out of the military. It'll enhance her modeling career and get her name and face on the TV.

When the Dems control the gubment, open homosexuality in the military will be take on political correctness never see before and you'll see a lot of this sexually explicit dribble all over . . . protected by "individual freedom of expression." Well, all individual "freedom of expression" as long as the speech does not criticize or question the super protected status of the PC crowd.

Glad I won't be in to see it.
 
Huggyu2 said:
We'll agree to disagree.
I think many of us consider the military career a "vocation". Although I have weekends off usually, my "personal time" can be taken away. It's a cliche, but we are accountable to the military 24/7. IBM might only own me for 40 hours a week, but I don't work for IBM anymore.
You didn't like that, so you left, and that's fair. We all appreciate the time and sacrifices you did make.
I like the "higher standard", even if it is slipping every year. I'll stay if they'll let me.
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I agree. It is a "vocation" and at any time I knew I could be called away from my home and family to protect my country. That's what I signed up for, and when needed I would go and do my job proudly and without hesitation. But, I always felt since we do have to make many sacrifices for the military, when I am not needed 24/7, the military should stay out of my life. I was told many times as I delt with one bad deal after another that the needs of the Air Force come first. At some point, especially in peacetime, I felt like my needs should come first...if only for a while.

But, that's not the deal, so I finished my time, and moved on.

So I agree and disagree with you. People need to understand what they sign up for. If you can't live up to it don't join. Or if you are already in, shut your mouth and do your job like I did....until your commitment is up. Then you are free to have an opinion once again.

I just don't think it has to be that way.
 

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