US Regional pilots are suckers?

[Black Hawk]

The responsibility for all this belongs entirely to mainline pilots and their unions who allowed oursourcing of pilot jobs in the first place. It's been downhill ever since. The internet gets an assist for spurring competition and lowering ticket prices.

 

[doh]

The law and the administrations in Europe favor unions.

I'm not so sure they favor unions per se, but rather social harmony. They try a little harder than we do to bring workers to a higher standard of living. I don't think everything they do is sustainable in terms of social welfare, but they do attempt to keep workers from falling futher and further behind management.

 

[insomniac99]

The responsibility for all this belongs entirely to mainline pilots and their unions who allowed oursourcing of pilot jobs in the first place. It's been downhill ever since. The internet gets an assist for spurring competition and lowering ticket prices.

whoever allowed this to happen should be beaten with a wet noodle!

 

[Hawkster54]

I believe it was American Airlines who allowed management to start Eagle because the pilots of that era thought they were above flying props. If my resources serve me right, AA mgmt was willing to pay mainline pilots their standard wages but they were going to have to give up their sleek jets for props...AA pilots said no way and mgmt said fine we'll find zit poppers to do it for a fraction of the wages, and that's what they did. AMR (the pimp) created Eagle (the whore house) and they recruited desparate pilots (the whores) to do the dirty work AA pilots wouldn't.

Of course most of the AA pilots who allowed this are all retired, and most of the original whores from Eagle are now in mgmt at Eagle, or representing ALPA at Eagle, or some did the flow through to AA only to get furloughed and sent back to pilot purgatory, while the rest of AA took a precident setting 23% paycut.

I think that's how the snow ball started....in a nut shell

 

[CMI]

I believe it was American Airlines who allowed management to start Eagle because the pilots of that era thought they were above flying props. If my resources serve me right, AA mgmt was willing to pay mainline pilots their standard wages but they were going to have to give up their sleek jets for props...AA pilots said no way and mgmt said fine we'll find zit poppers to do it for a fraction of the wages, and that's what they did. AMR (the pimp) created Eagle (the whore house) and they recruited desparate pilots (the whores) to do the dirty work AA pilots wouldn't.

Of course most of the AA pilots who allowed this are all retired, and most of the original whores from Eagle are now in mgmt at Eagle, or representing ALPA at Eagle, or some did the flow through to AA only to get furloughed and sent back to pilot purgatory, while the rest of AA took a precident setting 23% paycut.

I think that's how the snow ball started....in a nut shell

This sounds about right to me. AMR has been the most successful at creating an A & B pilot pay scale since they created American (A-scale) and Eagle (B-scale). AMR had tried to make an A & B scale on American Mainline however, that did not work when you had more B's than A's in one seniority pool. So AMR had to create two separate companies. And the prostituting continues, when American got rid of the F-100's they replace their routes with CRJ-700, and not MD-80's. And they pay the CRJ-700 pilots a lot less.

 

[CMI]

According to the Bombardier website, they are essentially the same size aircraft. The length is the same, the width is the same, and the gross wt. is only 250 lbs. difference. Skywest will fly them with 76 seats. The 15 yr. Jazz rate converts to $83.79 US. Justify it all you want, but it isn't a very good captain rate......

So you are telling me that at SkyPest you will make 150% of your hourly rate after flying over 85 hours a month? You must be smoking crack, just face the facts they got a better deal than the Mormons gave you at SkyPest. Jazz pilots get paid better, so suck it up dude. When they are over 85 hours in a month they will make 150% of their hourly rate. That is over $148 CAN an hour.

 

[dooork]

I believe it was American Airlines who allowed management to start Eagle because the pilots of that era thought they were above flying props. If my resources serve me right, AA mgmt was willing to pay mainline pilots their standard wages but they were going to have to give up their sleek jets for props...AA pilots said no way and mgmt said fine we'll find zit poppers to do it for a fraction of the wages, and that's what they did. AMR (the pimp) created Eagle (the whore house) and they recruited desparate pilots (the whores) to do the dirty work AA pilots wouldn't.

Of course most of the AA pilots who allowed this are all retired, and most of the original whores from Eagle are now in mgmt at Eagle, or representing ALPA at Eagle, or some did the flow through to AA only to get furloughed and sent back to pilot purgatory, while the rest of AA took a precident setting 23% paycut.

I think that's how the snow ball started....in a nut shell

You are way off base. Try Allegheny/Mohawk in the 50's

 

[Flyin2low]

There wasn't any shiny jets to fly in the 50's? In was 1960 when airlines started to fly jets. In was in the late 60's when Mohawk allowed a subcontract to fly their prop planes around. Then in the 70's, everyone was doing it. These are the same airlines that tried to have three pilots flying the 737's.

 

[CMI]

Go fly freight it pays better, and you can put some hair on your gonads. Starting pay at USA JET is $2850 a month guarantee!

USA JET is looking for FO's

http://www.jsfirm.com/companydetail.asp?jobid=13230
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli...r/usa_jet.html