US LR 25 Missing after departing MMTY

[CaptSeth]

Looks like it applies to both types...either way, what D.E. cut this guy loose with those restrictions???

And what kind of operator would put that POS into a pilot seat?

 

[rjcap]

How can you have a VFR only license for a jet ???

Wow

 

[landlover]

Date of issuance 2010, so it's expired. Wonder what happened to the permanent? Revocation action perhaps? Whoever was exercising operational control over this aircraft should be indicted on multiple counts.

probably explains why it's laminated, thought that was odd. You'd think the hard copy shows up soon enough to not really require lamination.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Looks like it may have been issued based on a foreign license, looks like it said valid only when accompanied by.....

 

[starcheckdriver]

His US pilot certificate seen in the picture was issued on the basis of his Mexican pilot certificate. When an ATP, commercial, or private pilot (with instrument rating) comes to the US and wants to fly on the basis of their foreign certificate, they initially get private pilot and VFR only privileges regardless of what their foreign certificate has. For example, if someone comes here from another country with a Commercial Instrument, they will only get a US private certificate, VFR only.

In order to have their instrument rating carry over to the US, they must pass the instrument written test. To get privileges beyond private pilot (commercial or ATP), they have to pass that checkride with a pilot examiner in the US and would have to do so for each aircraft type rating. Otherwise, they are stuck with private pilot privileges.

Obviously, this guy had a Mexican certificate with the LR-JET and HS-125 types. He likely had a Commercial Instrument or ATP as well. This temp. certificate in the picture is clearly one based on his Mexican certificate so he could operate a US aircraft using his foreign license. It says so on the temp. All of this is spelled out in Part 61 of the regs.

That said, how does anyone know that was his most current certificate? Since that temp was issued, he very well could have had full Commercial Instrument or ATP privileges in the LR-JET, both on his Mexican and US certificate.

 

[CA1900]

"It appears that one of the pilots was inexperienced, based on the temporary airman's certificate found at the crash site."

Yes, a Temp is like a learner's permit for pilots...

I hate the media so much.

 

[CaptSeth]

I still contend that putting this individual in a pilots seat of an airplane, ESPECIALLY a US owned and operated aircraft, is an act of criminal negligence and should be prosecuted.

 

[TMMT]

Although, good luck going VFR only in a Lear 25. I think the old joke about declaring min-fuel on taxi out would actually apply.

Its part of the after take off check list...

Gear up,

Flaps up,

Minimum fuel declare...

 

[captainv]

pt 91

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Not Part 91.

The U.S. NTSB is assisting Mexico’s Dirección General de Aeronáutica Civil (DGAC) in the investigation into the crash of a chartered Learjet 25 that claimed the life of Mexican-American singer Jenni Rivera early Sunday morning. [/FONT]

 

[say again]

"It appears that one of the pilots was inexperienced, based on the temporary airman's certificate found at the crash site."

Yes, a Temp is like a learner's permit for pilots...

I hate the media so much.

I'll have to agree, complete morons!!!

 

[BloomBoy10]

If you check out the article and other sources. This Starwood group has been in hot water with the Feds before, including DEA issues and a principal (?) etc. in prison for drugs, airplanes confiscated ...

Enough said! I don't think they had a Wyvern or Argus certification, duh!

 

[jmreii]

Seen this before with ATP holding individuals that have failed checkrides and refused a 709 will/can be stripped of certain privleges that are negotiated. Not implying that this is the case, but seen it before and would explain the certificate. The guy WAS 78 going on 79 for christ sake.

A 709 can be ordered for anything that particular FAA inspector would like to see in a re-examination ride. I have seen it with a pilot not using a FMS properly.

 

[HA25]

78 year old CA and 20 year old FO... nose dived in... very odd.

 

[rjcap]

78 year old CA and 20 year old FO... nose dived in... very odd.

Similar age difference with the G4 crew in France?

Whatever happened with that? NTSB report out yet?

 

[HA25]

Similar age difference with the G4 crew in France?

Whatever happened with that? NTSB report out yet?

don't recall that one... you got a link?