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US LR 25 Missing after departing MMTY
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TMMT
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Its part of the after take off check list...
Gear up,
Flaps up,
Minimum fuel declare...
captainv
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Not Part 91.
The U.S. NTSB is assisting Mexico’s Dirección General de Aeronáutica Civil (DGAC) in the investigation into the crash of a chartered Learjet 25 that claimed the life of Mexican-American singer Jenni Rivera early Sunday morning. [/FONT]
say again
I love her ARSE!!!!
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"It appears that one of the pilots was inexperienced, based on the temporary airman's certificate found at the crash site."
Yes, a Temp is like a learner's permit for pilots...
I hate the media so much.
I'll have to agree, complete morons!!!
BloomBoy10
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A 709 can be ordered for anything that particular FAA inspector would like to see in a re-examination ride. I have seen it with a pilot not using a FMS properly.
Similar age difference with the G4 crew in France?
Whatever happened with that? NTSB report out yet?
HA25
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don't recall that one... you got a link?
say again
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When did the rules chnaged?? So, if the owner trust you; then you can fly regadless of your qualifications....
Esquino said it was not a mistake to put a 78-year-old pilot at the helm of the flight. Perez had a valid license to fly in Mexico, authorities said Wednesday, but U.S. aviation sources said that in the United States, Perez was licensed to fly only under conditions that didn't require the use of instruments and was not allowed to carry passengers for hire.
Esquino said he had known and trusted Perez for 30 years. "I couldn't think of anyone more qualified," he said.
Esquino said it was not a mistake to put a 78-year-old pilot at the helm of the flight. Perez had a valid license to fly in Mexico, authorities said Wednesday, but U.S. aviation sources said that in the United States, Perez was licensed to fly only under conditions that didn't require the use of instruments and was not allowed to carry passengers for hire.
Esquino said he had known and trusted Perez for 30 years. "I couldn't think of anyone more qualified," he said.
landlover
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the captain may have been "senior", as in age but had low time in type.
flyboyzii
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Charter company investigated by DEA
This company recently had two planes confiscated by the Feds. Also, Esquino was previously indicted for smuggling drugs among other charges and served prison time.
http://news.msn.com/us/owner-of-jenni-rivera-plane-being-investigated-by-dea
This company recently had two planes confiscated by the Feds. Also, Esquino was previously indicted for smuggling drugs among other charges and served prison time.
http://news.msn.com/us/owner-of-jenni-rivera-plane-being-investigated-by-dea
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Mexican Crash Probe Focuses on Legal Issues
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Questions about the legality of the Learjet flight that cost Latin singer Jenni Rivera and six others their lives when it crashed December 9 began almost as quickly as the accident investigation itself. The 1969 Learjet 25–registered in the U.S. to Las Vegas-based Starwood Management as N345MC–crashed in a mountainous region 70 miles south of Monterrey, Mexico. Investigators are looking into whether the captain, Miguel Perez Soto, was certified to fly the aircraft and whether it was being used for an illegal charter flight. AIN has learned that Soto was issued a U.S. commercial pilot certificate for foreign-based pilots with type ratings in both the Learjet and the British Aerospace HS125 series. Both type ratings, however, were limited to VFR conditions. The aircraft’s last reported altitude was FL280, which would have placed the aircraft in positive control airspace, which requires an instrument rating. Another limitation notes that 78-year-old Soto was not approved to fly either jet for compensation or hire. Some sources in the business aviation services industry said Starwood gave the singer the airplane to use free of charge, while some Mexican sources claim it was chartered. AIN could not confirm the conditions under which Starwood offered the aircraft to Rivera. An FAA official who preferred not to be named told AIN he could not understand why the Mexican Dirección General de Aeronáutica Civil has been telling the media the pilot’s credentials were in order when a number of questions persist. There has been no word yet on what Mexican pilot certificates Soto held, although the FAA said the U.S. certificate would have taken precedence to command the N-registered Learjet, even in Mexican airspace. The NTSB is assisting the Mexicans in the investigation.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Questions about the legality of the Learjet flight that cost Latin singer Jenni Rivera and six others their lives when it crashed December 9 began almost as quickly as the accident investigation itself. The 1969 Learjet 25–registered in the U.S. to Las Vegas-based Starwood Management as N345MC–crashed in a mountainous region 70 miles south of Monterrey, Mexico. Investigators are looking into whether the captain, Miguel Perez Soto, was certified to fly the aircraft and whether it was being used for an illegal charter flight. AIN has learned that Soto was issued a U.S. commercial pilot certificate for foreign-based pilots with type ratings in both the Learjet and the British Aerospace HS125 series. Both type ratings, however, were limited to VFR conditions. The aircraft’s last reported altitude was FL280, which would have placed the aircraft in positive control airspace, which requires an instrument rating. Another limitation notes that 78-year-old Soto was not approved to fly either jet for compensation or hire. Some sources in the business aviation services industry said Starwood gave the singer the airplane to use free of charge, while some Mexican sources claim it was chartered. AIN could not confirm the conditions under which Starwood offered the aircraft to Rivera. An FAA official who preferred not to be named told AIN he could not understand why the Mexican Dirección General de Aeronáutica Civil has been telling the media the pilot’s credentials were in order when a number of questions persist. There has been no word yet on what Mexican pilot certificates Soto held, although the FAA said the U.S. certificate would have taken precedence to command the N-registered Learjet, even in Mexican airspace. The NTSB is assisting the Mexicans in the investigation.
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A nose dive from FL280.....and the co-pilot couldn't at least keep it straight and level after the captain probably had a heart attack.
Smoke in the cockpit......is all I can think could cause something like this to happen. Not a single radio call because they were choking and blind........Or a failed elevator cable causing the nose dive.
How else can that happen...thats a long way down and a lot of time to just sit and do nothing.
Smoke in the cockpit......is all I can think could cause something like this to happen. Not a single radio call because they were choking and blind........Or a failed elevator cable causing the nose dive.
How else can that happen...thats a long way down and a lot of time to just sit and do nothing.
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