US LR 25 Missing after departing MMTY

[Hugh Johnson]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/09/world/americas/mexico-singer-plane/

 

[DelphinDriver]

Understand 7 minutes after takeoff, godspeed. Curious how a US operator was able to do this flight, would this not be cabotage?

 

[se1776]

The Learjet 25, number N345MC, took off from Monterrey at 3:30 a.m. local time and was reported missing about 10 minutes later. It was registered to Starwood Management of Las Vegas, Nevada, according to FAA records. It was built in 1969 and had a current registration through 2015.

 

[se1776]

my heart goes out to their family.. :-(

 

[filejw]

understand 7 minutes after takeoff, godspeed. Curious how a us operator was able to do this flight, would this not be cabotage?

pt 91

 

[johnsonrod]

Terrible news. RIP to all involved.

 

[trip]

Shows a picture of a pilot license at the crash seen with VFR restrictions, strange.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rs-license-wreckage.html?ICO=most_read_module

 

[Hugh Johnson]

Check out the birthday on the certificate, 01/21/1934.

 

[t-bone]

Shows a picture of a pilot license at the crash seen with VFR restrictions, strange.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rs-license-wreckage.html?ICO=most_read_module

And HS125 Private Pilot only??? How does that make any sense?

 

[CorpCaptain]

Seen this before with ATP holding individuals that have failed checkrides and refused a 709 will/can be stripped of certain privleges that are negotiated. Not implying that this is the case, but seen it before and would explain the certificate. The guy WAS 78 going on 79 for christ sake.

 

[filejw]

And HS125 Private Pilot only??? How does that make any sense?

If you look close it says Lear Jet

 

[CaptSeth]

Date of issuance 2010, so it's expired. Wonder what happened to the permanent? Revocation action perhaps? Whoever was exercising operational control over this aircraft should be indicted on multiple counts.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Does that cert say "not valid for the carriage of persons or property for hire"?

 

[skier17]

Does that cert say "not valid for the carriage of persons or property for hire"?

I think that part was for the HS125 type. Although, good luck going VFR only in a Lear 25. I think the old joke about declaring min-fuel on taxi out would actually apply.

 

[t-bone]

If you look close it says Lear Jet

Looks like it applies to both types...either way, what D.E. cut this guy loose with those restrictions???

 

[CaptSeth]

Looks like it applies to both types...either way, what D.E. cut this guy loose with those restrictions???

And what kind of operator would put that POS into a pilot seat?

 

[rjcap]

How can you have a VFR only license for a jet ???

Wow

 

[landlover]

Date of issuance 2010, so it's expired. Wonder what happened to the permanent? Revocation action perhaps? Whoever was exercising operational control over this aircraft should be indicted on multiple counts.

probably explains why it's laminated, thought that was odd. You'd think the hard copy shows up soon enough to not really require lamination.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Looks like it may have been issued based on a foreign license, looks like it said valid only when accompanied by.....

 

[starcheckdriver]

His US pilot certificate seen in the picture was issued on the basis of his Mexican pilot certificate. When an ATP, commercial, or private pilot (with instrument rating) comes to the US and wants to fly on the basis of their foreign certificate, they initially get private pilot and VFR only privileges regardless of what their foreign certificate has. For example, if someone comes here from another country with a Commercial Instrument, they will only get a US private certificate, VFR only.

In order to have their instrument rating carry over to the US, they must pass the instrument written test. To get privileges beyond private pilot (commercial or ATP), they have to pass that checkride with a pilot examiner in the US and would have to do so for each aircraft type rating. Otherwise, they are stuck with private pilot privileges.

Obviously, this guy had a Mexican certificate with the LR-JET and HS-125 types. He likely had a Commercial Instrument or ATP as well. This temp. certificate in the picture is clearly one based on his Mexican certificate so he could operate a US aircraft using his foreign license. It says so on the temp. All of this is spelled out in Part 61 of the regs.

That said, how does anyone know that was his most current certificate? Since that temp was issued, he very well could have had full Commercial Instrument or ATP privileges in the LR-JET, both on his Mexican and US certificate.