US Express carriers

[PalmettoPilot]

PSA in CLT

PSA is scheduled to send 48 CRJ700's to CLT starting Nov 1. (was Oct 1). Whose routes will they be flying?

MESA, CHQ?

 

[WSurf]

Well don't jump on that too quick (48 700's by Nov.)



Word from Canada(Bombardier) is that USAir has filed Chapt. 11!
Can anyone confirm?

If this is the case, well the RJ's will stop coming.

 

[Beantown]

Mesa will soon be reduced, I believe they are already in PHL. Heard a Mesa Pilot saying that PSA was starting to take their flying (I thought that was a funny statement, since its never been THEIR flying) out of CLT. The more Jets PSA and MDA get, you will see a slow reduction in contract flying. If Group keeps us (PDT) to do all the prop flying, thats too be seen.

Mesa has lost some routes in both PHL and CLT and our DCA ERJ base is being closed. That said we are not losing any actual flying. It is just being shifted around. We actually have added one CRJ last month and have two more coming on line this month. (If U is around to take them) This could all change in CH 11. I guess we will all see very, very soon. Good luck to all. -Bean

 

[350DRIVER]

i work for one of the express carriers, non-wholly owned, and i heard a nasty rumor today that US is planning to get rid of the non-wholly owned carriers as part of their restructuring plan. now, i know that everyone loves the topic of US and to talk about them, but i'm more concerned with whether or not i'll have a job within a month or so, and if so, with whom. any thoughts....appreciated.

Nasty rumor? That is exactly one of the many things that needs to be done if Airways is survive this. I hope APA and AA can show some people a few things here really soon..

The flying needs to stop being outsourced to other carriers. The WO's should and most likely will be doing the majority if not all of the puddle jumping here very soon.

hang on..

3 5 0

 

[dondk]

Most of the Airways contract carrier's have thier hands in other airlines pocket's anyway.. Those who don't will be the first to suffer. Shifting flying from one contract to another is not that hard unless your trying to beat some scope clause somewhere. There are still plently of locations and carrier's who would like to expand on someone else's dime (contract carriers). It may become a new race to the bottom to keep the cost low enough for new work to appear.. that is the bigger worry

Raising ticket prices is not going to happen anytime soon in my opinion.. All the airlines are fighting over a few percentage points in market share. Look how many are venturing into the legacy carrier's turf for a few points, look at legacy carrier's going after LCC's for some points.. It is all about market share these day, not about revenue. Once the market share is established and some carrier's "bite the dust" you will see the fares slowly rise, not a minute sooner. The switching around U is playing is killing thier market share. If the contract carriers should lose routes, someone else's contract, WO's or even a independant carrier will quickly jump into fill the void.

 

[scouts out!]

Rumor has it that airways is planning on cancelling contracts with the contract carriers while in chapter 11 and that most of the flying will be done by the WO's. As far as CLT they still plan on CLT Nov. 1 however they are not putting 48 700's in there in nov. PSA doesn't have 48 700's yet and we will see if the orders keep coming or if they will stop or be adjusted. Right now it is anyones guess. However the WO's of Airways should be the ones flying for airways and if any company is to be contracted to fly for airways, the WO's should be making that decision based on their ability to keep up with demand. Contract carriers have no loyalty to airways, thats why they source themselves out to whomever pays them. Its like prostitution, they don't sleep with one person they sleep with anyone who gives them money, no hard feelings but I am sure some will be taken. Time will tell and who knows by the time we find out, it will all be done. The way I feel is I hope it all works out, but if not well lets figure it out so everyone at airways, whether WO or mainline or contract carrier, can get on with our lives.

 

[Finnair]

http://www.transformingusairways.com

 

[TWAER]

Rumor has it that airways is planning on cancelling contracts with the contract carriers while in chapter 11 and that most of the flying will be done by the WO's. As far as CLT they still plan on CLT Nov. 1 however they are not putting 48 700's in there in nov. PSA doesn't have 48 700's yet and we will see if the orders keep coming or if they will stop or be adjusted. Right now it is anyones guess. However the WO's of Airways should be the ones flying for airways and if any company is to be contracted to fly for airways, the WO's should be making that decision based on their ability to keep up with demand. Contract carriers have no loyalty to airways, thats why they source themselves out to whomever pays them. Its like prostitution, they don't sleep with one person they sleep with anyone who gives them money, no hard feelings but I am sure some will be taken. Time will tell and who knows by the time we find out, it will all be done. The way I feel is I hope it all works out, but if not well lets figure it out so everyone at airways, whether WO or mainline or contract carrier, can get on with our lives.

I heard that last BK 11. You may be right but it won't matter much seeing Airway will have a very hard time surviving this one. They are only delaying the inevitable.


And get a clue. You want to talk about loyalty a$$hole. We have been with Airway probably before you were even born. You might want to do some research before you unload your loyalty crap.

 

[acaTerry]

i totally agree with you...if US goes that route, the question is where are the carriers gonna go? i don't think any can survive on their own nowadays. unless they create their own "independence air"

TSA can't do that. Their MGT isn't half as good as the one at INDY. (No bias here either, I don't work at ACA/Indy anymore).

 

[acaTerry]

I heard that last BK 11. You may be right but it won't matter much seeing Airway will have a very hard time surviving this one. They are only delaying the inevitable.


And get a clue. You want to talk about loyalty a$$hole. We have been with Airway probably before you were even born. You might want to do some research before you unload your loyalty crap.

Geez man! Shafted by AAL, now it looks like US Express is your second. You must be pissed. Hope it works out for you.

 

[TWAER]

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[scouts out!]

TWAER.......... Life sucks and by the way I don't think Mesa, TSA, CHQ has been around as long as I have been alive so fly somewhere else with that crap. Does your company fly solely for Airways or do you also fly for UAL, DAL, AAL? Besides if Airways fails then so do the WO's all you have to do is hope your not junior then change uniforms. If your loyal to Airways, then prove it and do everything you can to help airways recover, that in itself will be a handful but all we can do is try and hope for the best. Stop crying and deal with the issues. Good luck to you

 

[TWAER]

How do you want me to prove loyalty to Airways??? All we did was Airways flying until 2000. Don't confuse loyalty and being diverse. I hope everything works out for all the WO"S but don't think for a second that I am not glad not to be 100% tied to Airways. It would be a big blow to us if we lost Airways flying. We have many people just like you that will be out of a job when the doors shut. If you have not noticed, our other code shares are not doing to good either. So it is in our best interest along with that of Airways, to support them. There is my loyalty.

 

[ChinaClipper]

Before we get all high and mightly WO types......

about the contract carriers, it wasn't all that long ago that MAINLINE jets flew where you do today. Complaining about being under cut by ANYONE is BS. Just ask any mainline guy who had a job at ROA, DAY etc, got chased back to the hubs over the years, and now is SOL. What goes around really comes around.....

 

[WSurf]

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