US Congress tries to block Flag-of-Convenience model for Norwegian Longhaul

[sstearns2]

If you outsource half your domestic flying and go the better part of 10-15 years without hiring bc you have all the new flying away- some pilots will have to make it a career bill.

Look in the mirror a little.

But if you're an RJ pilot- very few will benefit if you try and make it a career.
You'll be starting over at some point- put your stuff out

The big question of those of us at the regionals and looking to move to a major is scope. Will mainline continue to relax scope? I think YES is the clear answer. Mainline will offer their pilots a 10% raise and 2/3rds will vote to transfer another chunk of good mainline jobs down to the contract carriers. This will happen over and over again and 20 years from now mainline will just mean overseas, wide body, international. Just look at the trend for the last 20 years and project it forward.

30 years ago everyone would have thought it was crazy to think that a regional would fly jets. 20 years ago everyone would have thought it was crazy to think that a regional would be flying 70 seat jets on 1000 NM legs. 10 years ago everyone would have thought it was crazy to think that a regional would be flying an 85,000 lb airplane 1000 NM into Mexico. Today is sounds crazy that a regional would be flying a 110 seat airplane hub to hub.

The E-175s are arriving in mass at the regionals. Why would companies buy all these E-175s when they already operate CRJs of the same capacity? The only answer in my mind if that the plan is for the contract carriers to start flying E-190/195s and for mainline to continue to farm out their domestic/Canada/Mexico/Bahamas/Caribbean and beyond flying.

Scott

 

[waveflyer]

I hope you are wrong....yet...^^^^


Bill- you're part of the biggest offender- refute that^^

 

[sstearns2]

I hope you are wrong....yet...^^^^


^^

I hope I am wrong too. Management has created a system that, by the forces of human nature, will naturally move all of the pilots flying their passengers (and FA's, mechanics, ramp workers, gate agents, etc) from A scale, to B scale, to C scale over the long term. It is working just as intended and I see no reason to think it will not continue.

Scott

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

If you outsource half your domestic flying and go the better part of 10-15 years without hiring bc you have all the new flying away- some pilots will have to make it a career bill.

Look in the mirror a little.

But if you're an RJ pilot- very few will benefit if you try and make it a career.
You'll be starting over at some point- put your stuff out

Wavey,

I was the highest paid pilot in the industry 10 years ago.....we can't live in the past.

We are changing the tides in the other direction, whether you believe it or not, the RJ flying is decreasing and mainline flying is going up and we are hiring as fast as we can train them.

Again....past is past....ad nauseum repeating what is done and over with and currently getting fixed is not worth the ones and zeros your keyboard is puttin out. Life is gettin better for all of us....supply and demand will force the change.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Thanks Bill, for being civil. Believe me most of us have our stuff out there. Have a good one!

You bet.....

Trust me man, somebody will call soon. My airline is panicking publicly (Endeavour pilot screening and hiring plan) and will need lots of people practically yesterday.

Even though I work with a putz , I hope you got it in over here.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I hope you are wrong....yet...^^^^


Bill- you're part of the biggest offender- refute that^^

I think the lessons learned over the "lost decade" will change behaviors. Why? Not enough pilots.....hell, they can't fill RJ classes even with the crappy pay and work rules now...what would a 110 seat jet do for a regional if they still paid crappy? We do not have a glut of pilots ready to stab around to undercut each other.

The mainline airlines are learning too, they can control the product if they wear the home teams badges. I must admit, I have been on a few contract carriers planes lately and the professionalism and image the crews and planes put out, is impressive. Most of the time it's a better than the Jurassic jets I fly with the cave women we have working in back.

 

[waveflyer]

Very true
Scott, your turn-

We were willing to stay at the Wisconsins and republics of the world bc we were already invested in the career-
Pilots aren't flocking to aviation like they used to for good reason - that drove the past expansion-
Past does not predict future
What say you?

 

[General Lee]

The big question of those of us at the regionals and looking to move to a major is scope. Will mainline continue to relax scope? I think YES is the clear answer. Mainline will offer their pilots a 10% raise and 2/3rds will vote to transfer another chunk of good mainline jobs down to the contract carriers. This will happen over and over again and 20 years from now mainline will just mean overseas, wide body, international. Just look at the trend for the last 20 years and project it forward.

30 years ago everyone would have thought it was crazy to think that a regional would fly jets. 20 years ago everyone would have thought it was crazy to think that a regional would be flying 70 seat jets on 1000 NM legs. 10 years ago everyone would have thought it was crazy to think that a regional would be flying an 85,000 lb airplane 1000 NM into Mexico. Today is sounds crazy that a regional would be flying a 110 seat airplane hub to hub.

The E-175s are arriving in mass at the regionals. Why would companies buy all these E-175s when they already operate CRJs of the same capacity? The only answer in my mind if that the plan is for the contract carriers to start flying E-190/195s and for mainline to continue to farm out their domestic/Canada/Mexico/Bahamas/Caribbean and beyond flying.

Scott

Ummmmm no. The seat numbers for RJs haven't increased since BK. Instead, a couple Majors have acquired smaller mainline planes, like 717s(DL ) and A319s (AA), and have started to take back routes that were unfortunately handed over to the Regionals and are now coming back to the Majors. That's a good thing. I don't see Scope clauses (more seats per plane at the Regionals) decreasing at all during "boom times" either, no need to give concessions. The number of E175s and CR9s has increased somewhat, but 50 seaters are dropping like flies, and fewer 76 seaters are trying to cover for the larger number of 50 seaters departing.

The best advice for Regional pilots: fill out apps for the Majors or LCCs. Hopefully you get an interview and get hired into a better job with higher pay and benefits. Good luck.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

Even though I work with a putz

Yeah, sorry about that! Every Co has them.

I hope you got it in over here.

I do.

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Better times ahead as you state Bill, hopefully for all!

 

[waveflyer]

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