US Airways snap-back?

[Crzipilot]

Yup. that cancellation pay thing. Doesn't quite work THAT bad, had a 3 day, flew 6 hours of it, got paid 16 hours + 4 hours on top of guarantee. Not a bad 3 day trip. Nope Nope, not looking for open time to pick up...

Vacation, well that was a sell out by ALPA....don't get me started on that thinking.

Forced 95 hours??? Nope...never been forced to fly 95. Most guys, even during 95 hour months, seem to fly around 80 hours a month....maybe 85. Quite a few like to go down further than that....

 

[Guppiedriver]

Vacation, well that was a sell out by ALPA....don't get me started on that thinking.

ALPA National sold you out on a vacation proposal? I call BS on that.

Why is it always someone else's fault with you guys?

 

[Tweaker]

They ain't declaring bankrupcy because of losing this pay grievance or that. Come on now, chillrens. Be sensible!

 

[Crzipilot]

ALPA National sold you out on a vacation proposal? I call BS on that.

Why is it always someone else's fault with you guys?

Local ALPA and their national advisors. 2nd bk, they had to give the company relief of items to save the company money.

One of things given back was Vacation for those 8 yrs and under. WOW what a cost savings the company received from that 0 dollars. There wasn't anyone on property with less than 8 yrs at that time, BUT ALPA goons gave it away!??! Why? Advisors obviously costed out the proposals...no? peanut butter jars on and off the shelf.

So essientially, once again... ALPA / National / Senior...sold out those jr.

 

[get2flyin]

Local ALPA and their national advisers. 2nd bk, they had to give the company relief of items to save the company money.

One of things given back was Vacation for those 8 yrs and under. WOW what a cost savings the company received from that 0 dollars. There wasn't anyone on property with less than 8 yrs at that time, BUT ALPA goons gave it away!??! Why? Advisers obviously costed out the proposals...no? peanut butter jars on and off the shelf.

So (essentially), once again... ALPA / National / Senior...sold out those jr.

YOUR senior pilots sold out guys who hadn't been hired yet in an effort to save their pensions. You played a gamble and lost. Stop blaming ALPA national for your own failings.

 

[Crzipilot]

No you D** Sh*** those guys had been hired....thank you.

No wonder AW was where it was.....comprehension of 4th graders...

 

[get2flyin]

YOU wrote:

Local ALPA and their national advisors. 2nd bk, they had to give the company relief of items to save the company money.

One of things given back was Vacation for those 8 yrs and under. WOW what a cost savings the company received from that 0 dollars. There wasn't anyone on property with less than 8 yrs at that time, BUT ALPA goons gave it away!??! Why? Advisors obviously costed out the proposals...no? peanut butter jars on and off the shelf.

So essientially, once again... ALPA / National / Senior...sold out those jr.

I replied:

YOUR senior pilots sold out guys who hadn't been hired yet in an effort to save their pensions. You played a gamble and lost. Stop blaming ALPA national for your own failings.

You responded:

No you D** Sh*** those guys had been hired....thank you.

No wonder AW was where it was.....comprehension of 4th graders...

I guess I'm a little confused about your definition of "comprehension". Were they hired or not? It is comforting to know that in classic style, when you can't argue a point, you go straight for classy language. You guys are so predictable. What's next, storm off? Accuse me of RICO?

I think where AWA "was" actually happened to be a pretty sweet position; Able to buy a washed up, bankrupt legacy carrier for pennies on the dollar. If that's your idea of a criticism, I'll take it.

Stay classy, East pilots. :laugh:

 

[PuffDriver]

Pay is just a small part of the nightmare called LOA 93. Have you seen the work rules, vacation and forced 95 hour months. If a flight is canceled out East, hope a nice trip is in open time or there goes your pay! Seperate ops is not a solution for USAPA to avoid the NIC., but the WEST and the company will one day get to a joint contract with or without EAST participation, I'm betting on BK.

You need to go back and read it again. You are so far off base, it's pathetic.

 

[Crzipilot]

you see this thing called 9/11 happened. forced airlines into BK, etc. with this BK unions were forced into negotiating concessionary contracts. Part of this fall out was also lots of pilots were furloughed.

After the furloughs, and the contracts were being hammered out....some airlines had their bottom guys with 12+ years of seniority. company wants immediate cost relief. ALPA advisors figure that by giving relief in the range of year 1-8 would save the company X amount of dollars. Only problem here, is there wasn't anyone active on the seniority list in that year range. A few years later, recalls start. That is when the company started saving money on that vacation. They were not new hires, they were recalls.

Pre 9/11 AWA was a pretty sweet place???? You've been in the desert sun for too long. Post 9/11 AWA was about the only place hiring around 2002/03 I believe. And guys at that point for basically looking for any job they could. AWA happened to have someone, with gov't financing, who was able to take a short term advantage to the cut backs the majors had gone through........

 

[Crzipilot]

Nothing. The court overturned the case based on ripeness, not merit. They made no ruling on the merits of the case.
I don't see the connection between the grievance and the seniority list. I fully expect the company to win but just for the sake of discussion if they lost I'd expect them to go through bankruptcy again to mitigate it.

Not really sure either, just rumor mill stuff. As LOA 93 could come back as a win, but possible that it could be an answer of. Pilots right...Company wrong, now you two sit together and figure out how you want to right this, you have 90 days.

I.E. some have said, arbitrator can come back in favor of pilots, with no specific remedy, and tell the two parties to come to an agreeable remedy, or he will make a decision in 90 days. So in those 90 days, it would be kinda the pilots with a little bit of leverage as Parker crunches the numbers on those pay scales. Could be alot of horse trades happening.

Like I said though, just rumor mill stuff