US Airways Recalls!!!

[Guppiedriver]

The other part of that is AirTran will probably be here in three years. US Air? . . . . . . maybe not.

Yeah, that's a sure bet. Hey genius, you're in need of a name change so I'll help you. Keep the D and replace the "ragin" with "umb" and then attach "ass" to the end. You're welcome.

 

[Swaayze]

Yeah, I'd sure like to see some updated info too. I've emailed the new furlough coordinator (or whatever he's called) to no avail. It would be nice to have a copy of the contract currently in effect (I long ago lost track of the details of revisions 1-3) and a cheat sheet on recall details. If that's true about being able to bypass until holding C/O on the 190 that's pretty good news and IMO the F/O slots will quickly go junior (maybe to the CEL and/or off the street?). Of course the replacement of the 73s (these 190s will replace them eventually IMO) and the raising to age 65 may create stagnation for years to come.

 

[Bubba Dog]

Yeah, I'd sure like to see some updated info too. I've emailed the new furlough coordinator (or whatever he's called) to no avail. It would be nice to have a copy of the contract currently in effect (I long ago lost track of the details of revisions 1-3) and a cheat sheet on recall details. If that's true about being able to bypass until holding C/O on the 190 that's pretty good news and IMO the F/O slots will quickly go junior (maybe to the CEL and/or off the street?). Of course the replacement of the 73s (these 190s will replace them eventually IMO) and the raising to age 65 may create stagnation for years to come.

From what I can gather from the transition agreement, can pass until a mainline postion is open, i. e. B-737, A320,etc.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

According to Doug Parker the E190 will be a mainline aircraft.

 

[Swaayze]

Yeah that's the thing, the 190 is a mainline bird so the MDA acceptance procedures would not apply I'd guess. It will be interesting to see how it works out. I think they'll find they need to mandate acceptance of recall to the right seat of the 190 if they want to get everybody back before going to the CEL and/or the street, otherwise recalls may string out for a long time more than really necessary. I hope the info is accurate, as bypassing 'til 190 C/O is available would create more options for us. I'm trying to snag a good corporate gig and hopefully I'll not go back, but if recall is imminent then I doubt anyone will want me, fearing my return to U (I've been flat out told more than once when talking with corporate pilots that they don't like to hire airline guys, either because there's more to the job and/or because they figure we'll go back at first opportunity).

Now if the stinkin' oil will just stay below $60 for a long while.....

 

[sluminginpit]

I love the fact that J4J guys now say they will bypass until they can hold capt because they make more at PSA in the left seat. The J4J program provided jobs while there was none available to you. Now you have one offered and won't take it cause its not good enough, not enough money! Leave, go to mainline! Your to good for the regionals!

 

[Bubba Dog]

According to Doug Parker the E190 will be a mainline aircraft.

Just looked it up in the transition agreement:

E190's do not count toward minium aircraft

Can pass as a F/O, not as a captain on the E190.

Also I think will keep calling if pass on E190 F/O slot if other E190 F/O slots open up later down the road. In other words can go back to a E190 F/O slot when you are ready. Need some help from the transition agreement interpretation, maybe a lawyer, on this last statement.

 

[Swaayze]

I love the fact that J4J guys now say they will bypass until they can hold capt because they make more at PSA in the left seat. The J4J program provided jobs while there was none available to you. Now you have one offered and won't take it cause its not good enough, not enough money! Leave, go to mainline! Your to good for the regionals!

FYI, in case you're referring to me, I'm not a J4J guy. I was just pointing out the possibilities. It may not be "right", but it is what it is and I suspect it will play out that way if allowed.

 

[RUhiring?]

SluminginPit,

I am that J4J guy you are talking about. I'll be at PSA until I get a better offer. Just like you.

Right now, bottom reserve FO, at $52/hour, is not a better offer.

 

[jetfo]

This 15 years of service/furloughed ex 9 and 73 capt. ain’t in any hurry to leave AirTran for USAir. And I bet there are a half a dozen USAir folks that just plain quit (early retirement) USAir to work for AirTran just to take back a little control in their lives.

It’s nice to know that I MAY get recalled. (I was required to resign from USAir in the AirTran indoc process), But so much has changed at both carriers in the last five years. USAir down, AirTran up.

Let’s say I get recalled to the right seat of a 737 by mid summer 06 (190 deliveries schedule for Nov. 06). That’s on reserve 72 hrs @ $89 per hr. Not bad money and more than I make at Citrus. But there is a strong likely hood that I could be displaced to the 190 at $61 an hour by the summer of 07 as they park old tired 73s for the JJJ (Jumbo Jungle Jet). By that time at AirTran I'll be in the left seat @ $102 per hour.

I have two theories of airline economics, both have to do with chickens;

1. Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.

2. The sky is always falling.

Both of these were proven time and time again at USAir. 99% chance I ain't going back!

GVE

Oh, you know you want to and won't be able to resist You like the feeling of being let down too much.

 

[jetfo]

That makes very little sense. If the 190 is, indeed, a fleet replacement for the 737 it could be a decade before a first officer could hold E190 Captain.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't a combined US/AW retirement rate of at least 350/year fairly accurate? And, isn't it also true that of the approx. 1800 on furlough, only about 1/3 will even return when recalled?

If those estimates are even remotely accurate, won't upgrade in the 190's be fairly quick?

 

[jetfo]

SluminginPit,

I am that J4J guy you are talking about. I'll be at PSA until I get a better offer. Just like you.

Right now, bottom reserve FO, at $52/hour, is not a better offer.

May not be better, but with better basing options and better schedules it just may be worth it, unless you love CLT. I doubt you make more than $60/hour at PSA with what I hear are terrible schedules.

 

[TWA Dude]

The E190 is not a replacement for the 737. So says DP yesterday and AWA MEC chairman JR today confirmed it. JR also said he expected USA to hire off the street within two years. A third to a half of USA furloughees aren't expected to return. The 190 payrates no doubt contribute to that statistic.

Furthermore, since the arbitrator (Nicholau) isn't available until December the seniority integration likely won't be ruled on until Spring 2007. This doesn't preclude AWA guys from flying the 190 but those details remain to be worked out.

 

[RUhiring?]

May not be better, but with better basing options and better schedules it just may be worth it, unless you love CLT. I doubt you make more than $60/hour at PSA with what I hear are terrible schedules.

Everyone has different priorities. I'll stick with PSA, CLT, Captain, Blockholder, and more $$. The E190 might be based in PHL....and that alone would keep me from flying it.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Everyone has different priorities. I'll stick with PSA, CLT, Captain, Blockholder, and more $$. The E190 might be based in PHL....and that alone would keep me from flying it.

Would you feel that way if they were based in PHX?


PHXFLYR

 

[LittleDeuce]

Erj-190

Would you feel that way if they were based in PHX?


PHXFLYR

The chances of that happening are about as much as snow in PHX in July Bubba.

 

[stb]

Remember, US Airway's management ain't steering this ship anymore.

I thought I saw something like 20+ VP's from USAir stayed for the new USAirways.

I hope for the sake of AWA/USA it was wrong.

I'm one U furlough that wont go back.

 

[PHXFLYR]

The chances of that happening are about as much as snow in PHX in July Bubba.

Wanna bet,junior?


PHXFLYR

 

[RUhiring?]

If they were based in the Garden of Eden, I still wouldn't take a recall to the FO slot.

Wanna bet,junior?

PHXFLYR

I'm willing to bet that YOU are the one that is junior.

 

[PHXFLYR]

If they were based in the Garden of Eden, I still wouldn't take a recall to the FO slot.



I'm willing to bet that YOU are the one that is junior.

Wanna bet.... junior?

PHXFLYR

 

[Guppiedriver]

I thought I saw something like 20+ VP's from USAir stayed for the new USAirways.

I hope for the sake of AWA/USA it was wrong.

I'm one U furlough that wont go back.

Parker only retained one former US Airways senior executive. There may be more at the lower levels, but it doesn't matter, Parker is driving, not US Airways old.

 

[RUhiring?]

Wanna bet.... junior?

PHXFLYR

Yes.....post your AWA date of hire, and then we'll know for sure.

 

[SUNDOWN]

If they were based in the Garden of Eden, I still wouldn't take a recall to the FO slot.
.

RU, I think you may have missed it. The AWA MEC along with the arbitrator have appointed PHXFLYR and WhiskeyDriver in charge of all integration. They are fortunate to have two such senior and experienced pilots in a position of such authority.

 

[vetrider]

Yes.....post your AWA date of hire, and then we'll know for sure.

I think it looks possible that he is using junior in an entirely different context than you are, at least to me.

 

[Soulfly]

If the interactions here are an indicator of how well this merger is going to happen then we are all f#@cked. Well at least we know that we learn nothing from past mistakes.
While we sit here and fight amongst each other, management sits on the sidelines laughing there asses off. Just what they hoped for.

Sorry for the rant. Couldn't help myself.

 

[AppBrookie]

Been at AirTran 2 years, very happy, better schedule than USAir(one of the original newhires(very early in '99)), would of retired with a single digit seniority number.................99.99999 % of NOT GOING BACK!!!!!

 

[Crzipilot]

I love the fact that J4J guys now say they will bypass until they can hold capt because they make more at PSA in the left seat. The J4J program provided jobs while there was none available to you. Now you have one offered and won't take it cause its not good enough, not enough money! Leave, go to mainline! Your to good for the regionals!

Well for those that asked, it says clearly, you don't Have to take the recall to f/o position on the 190. You may continue to bypass untill a 190 capt. slot OR 737/a320 etc f/o slot. As the contract states you can continue to bypass recall until there is not anyone Jr. to you to bypass to. Then you must make the decision. Except in the case of 190 f/o, you can bypass on that at your hearts content, AND it doesn't negate you from accepting a 190 f/o position down the road.

And for sluming, well if you look at it this way, all those J4J's that will bypass a 190 f/o slot, If PSA/ PDT merger committees with the AAA comm. got their act together and got the flow through hammered out, you could flow to a f/o 190 position from the CEL, with what....hmm...a 20k/yr pay raise to do so? With better work rules/retirement/health etc etc..... Now only if PDT would take the MDA guys back to satisfy that problem, and that would cure the backfill problem at PSA now....

 

[Reebo]

RU, I think you may have missed it. The AWA MEC along with the arbitrator have appointed PHXFLYR and WhiskeyDriver in charge of all integration. They are fortunate to have two such senior and experienced pilots in a position of such authority.

WhiskeyDriver????? you're joking right?????

 

[RUhiring?]

I think it looks possible that he is using junior in an entirely different context than you are, at least to me.

If that's the case, then I probably would lose the bet.