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[LearLove]

The last bid with a new class had guys going to all 3 east bases. 737, AB and 190. If you search on this subject I posted the breakdown back in Jan/Feb.

 

[The Drizzle]

FWIW the east bid (that came out today) for sept has 40 newhire positions

From your experience, does the bid effective date mean that's when they want the newhires active, on line, or in the pipeline?

 

[charlie2]

From your experience, does the bid effective date mean that's when they want the newhires active, on line, or in the pipeline?

I'm just a line guy but it seems to me that, to try and answere your question, this means they would have a scheduled start date. From my discussions with a chief pilot and a Captain who does the interviews we will start interviewing again around Sept with training dates in Nov. This comes as opinions only of low level management types though. Anything could happen with a possilble marriage with AA. Even with that marriage and their furloughs my guess is with seperate ops for a while (like with our ops with AWA) we will need pilots starting in Dec.

 

[The Drizzle]

I'm just a line guy but it seems to me that, to try and answere your question, this means they would have a scheduled start date. From my discussions with a chief pilot and a Captain who does the interviews we will start interviewing again around Sept with training dates in Nov. This comes as opinions only of low level management types though. Anything could happen with a possilble marriage with AA. Even with that marriage and their furloughs my guess is with seperate ops for a while (like with our ops with AWA) we will need pilots starting in Dec.

Thanks for the input, it helps.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Even with that marriage and their furloughs my guess is with seperate ops for a while (like with our ops with AWA) we will need pilots starting in Dec.

So if you know anybody who needs a job for 2 years or so, let them know. It's a ground-floor opportunity to get into the basement.

 

[charlie2]

So if you know anybody who needs a job for 2 years or so, let them know. It's a ground-floor opportunity to get into the basement.

Even though our superior management team....(don't tell anyone but it's actually AWA management) and the west pilots hate our min fleet and min utilization rates that are in our contract...ha ha ha ha we still have them. Therefore Mrs. Bringining Up The Birdie when we start finally pooping out the geezers on Dec 13, 2012 (this year) they have to hire and everyone will move up. Now there is a possibilty that you birdie are in the know of another terrorist attack which of course when allow our superior management team (after they rejoice once again at the deaths of thousands of Americans) to Force Majoure our contract with them. Then sir you would be correct. They would shred our contract and farm out the flying to the lowest bidder and furlough as many main line pilots as the could. But for a second could you be honest with me? Don't you think it's a little weird that they have the lowest paid pilots on this planet and they still want (in the PRESIDENT SCOTT KIRBY PROPOSAL) no scope, no min fleet, and no min utilization rates?

 

[JumpersAway]

I was told by a check airman that all hiring is on indefinate hold until the merger details with AA are sorted out.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Even though our superior management team....(don't tell anyone but it's actually AWA management) and the west pilots hate our min fleet and min utilization rates that are in our contract

I suppose no one told you that the APA is going to rip up the transistion agreement once Single Carrier is established and with it goes your fleet min. Don't worry, they've been through plenty of mergers before, they will show you how it's done....

The APA needs this and will not jeopardize their lifeboat to accomodate any east tantrum. And I am surprisingly OK with that.

And I think you've got it wrong - your min fleet and utilization are one of the least of many things the west pilots hate about the east. You folks who started and lost the civil war between the pilots must be asking yourselves if it was worth it.

But the formerly furloughed and the new hires should be making their career decisions wisely, because once the APA comes in, they will lose all say in the matter.

 

[charlie2]

I suppose no one told you that the APA is going to rip up the transistion agreement once Single Carrier is established and with it goes your fleet min. Don't worry, they've been through plenty of mergers before, they will show you how it's done....

The APA needs this and will not jeopardize their lifeboat to accomodate any east tantrum. And I am surprisingly OK with that.

And I think you've got it wrong - your min fleet and utilization are one of the least of many things the west pilots hate about the east. You folks who started and lost the civil war between the pilots must be asking yourselves if it was worth it.

But the formerly furloughed and the new hires should be making their career decisions wisely, because once the APA comes in, they will lose all say in the matter.

You're right again the APA guys are begging for your 2 month guys to be their captains.

 

[Hpilot]

You're right again the APA guys are begging for your 2 month guys to be their captains.

Actually, I think our most junior guy has been here about 6 years. I've got news for you Einstein, the APA doesn't care if it's one of our 20 year captains or one of your 20 year reserve FOs, they won't want anyone above them. If you couldn't win against us, a pilot group less than half your size, what makes you think you have any chance against a larger, well funded pilot group? You're screwed, unfortunately we're screwed too.