US AIRWAYS Jackbones!

[Mach8Forest]

Dear Miss Kitty,
Besides an IQ test did you have a psychological evaluation when you were hired at AA or the new lucky company that employed you?
Mach8Forest

 

[Dangerkitty]

Dear Miss Kitty,
Besides an IQ test did you have a psychological evaluation when you were hired at AA or the new lucky company that employed you?
Mach8Forest

IQ Test: NO
Psych Eval: YES

So you think I have an impaired IQ as well as psychological problems only because I take exception to you calling me as well as the other APA Pilots SCABS? Is that what you are telling me?

Oh, and I am still waiting to see you list all those training depts that think AA's training was/is a joke.

 

[twasurfer]

POOSSY-

A few points to consider-

• The union I was referring to was the APA- I like everyone else was forced to join in some form or fashion. Alpa is just as bad.
• You wanted a list of ground schools that used AA as great examples of bad airmanship- I gave you mine.
• I am a ground school instructor, flight instructor, Captain and President of a profitable and safe 135 company that I started.
• AA resumes go in the trash- yep, you are right. I am denying someone from AA job. I do this not because I am bitter, I just think that there are better candidates out there. I am sure that there are some great AA pilots that are not Aassholes – I just haven’t found many. Granted the job might not be some at some fancy Fortune 500 flying gig jerkin gear. But please remember you are just the pilot. Don’t let your ego get ahead of you on that. Enron was making money hand over fist as well- so was AA at one point and even TWA made a few bucks awhile back. Fortunes change daily and we all know that the company jet is first to go followed by the flight crews.
• Not going back? Why are you wasting time defending a group that you have no plans of ever being part of? I too am doing all that I can never to go back myself. Time will tell. For now, I am learning how to run a profitable business and maybe one day you can jerk the gear in my company’s jet. Send me your resume in a few years.
• Just because I agree with you that APA aren’t SCABs doesn’t mean I think very highly of them. I just haven’t found the right word for them that word not result in a Rule 32 violation.

Lastly I hope all goes well for you and you new life. Take a second and don’t jump all over some bitter TWA pilot. He has every right to be bitter. Look at where you are now. You think that you are immune from getting the shaft down line? Do you think that you would not be? Think again. Kitty and Mach 8 Give it a rest-

I can’t believe that I have wasted my time even posting here in the first place. I got better things to do.

 

[Dangerkitty]

POOSSY-

A few points to consider-

• The union I was referring to was the APA- I like everyone else was forced to join in some form or fashion. Alpa is just as bad.
• You wanted a list of ground schools that used AA as great examples of bad airmanship- I gave you mine.
• I am a ground school instructor, flight instructor, Captain and President of a profitable and safe 135 company that I started.
• AA resumes go in the trash- yep, you are right. I am denying someone from AA job. I do this not because I am bitter, I just think that there are better candidates out there. I am sure that there are some great AA pilots that are not Aassholes – I just haven’t found many. Granted the job might not be some at some fancy Fortune 500 flying gig jerkin gear. But please remember you are just the pilot. Don’t let your ego get ahead of you on that. Enron was making money hand over fist as well- so was AA at one point and even TWA made a few bucks awhile back. Fortunes change daily and we all know that the company jet is first to go followed by the flight crews.
• Not going back? Why are you wasting time defending a group that you have no plans of ever being part of? I too am doing all that I can never to go back myself. Time will tell. For now, I am learning how to run a profitable business and maybe one day you can jerk the gear in my company’s jet. Send me your resume in a few years.
• Just because I agree with you that APA aren’t SCABs doesn’t mean I think very highly of them. I just haven’t found the right word for them that word not result in a Rule 32 violation.

Lastly I hope all goes well for you and you new life. Take a second and don’t jump all over some bitter TWA pilot. He has every right to be bitter. Look at where you are now. You think that you are immune from getting the shaft down line? Do you think that you would not be? Think again. Kitty and Mach 8 Give it a rest-

I can’t believe that I have wasted my time even posting here in the first place. I got better things to do.

You make some valid points however I am starting to grow weary of this thread.

I will leave you with this though. I am not "jumping all over a bitter TWA pilot." If he wants to be bitter and unhappy that is his problem.

But when he blames all his problems in life on these APA "scabs" I take exception to that. I am not happy with the way things turned out either.

Did the TWA pilots get screwed? Yes. However like I have said many times over and over again, I along with the other 99% of APA pilots had nothing to do with it.

 

[blzr]

Just curious, do you US Airways jackbones really feel like you should have any realitive seniority at America West? (Regardless of the new name, these guys saved your asses. Do you really feel like you "deserve" any seniority based on date of hire?)

I don't have a dog in the fight, but it sure is hard to understand the mentalitly of "entittleship" that is going on over there when you would have been out of a job years ago if you weren't bailed out by someone.

It is called U.S. Airways now. Mayby your question should be the other way around.....


Sorry, just some flame for your viewing pleasure

 

[C-150ETOPS]

Mach8Forest,

Any chance you or the others want to name the head of TWA pilot recruitment in 1989? If TWA was such a great place and worthy of equal treatment, why did this guy leave?

Let me give you a quote from him after he left, "I saw the handwriting on the wall"


I looked and found a job during the same time period. Spare me the "I was a Captain" bit. From day one until AA bought TWA, you and most of you post 1989 hires stated over and over, "I'm going to be real senior, lotsa retirements at TWA". Covering up your own personal judgment of choosing a place to work may work with those here who were driving bicycles 15 years ago, but not with this poster.

 

[Doug Parker]

It is called U.S. Airways now. Mayby your question should be the other way around.....


Sorry, just some flame for your viewing pleasure

Then why is the new callsign for the merged carrier - "CACTUS"

Remember Mr (and I use that term loosely) Lakefield publicly stated he would rather be playing Golf than making this merger happen - he got paid either way.




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[pylut]

Actually, I believe you "ride" bicycles, not "drive" them.

 

[AA717driver]

C150ETOPS--Ok, I didn't want to but I will... Leon left TWA because he was capped out in his career. He couldn't be fired because he was incompetent due to certain mitigating circumstances but he wasn't going to go any further up the food chain because he WAS incompetent.

Many of us in '88 and '89 did go to TWA because of the retirements. We knew it was a gamble because Icahn was there but we also knew that only two airlines were allowed to fly from the U.S. into Continental Europe--and that didn't look to be changing. UAL had just purchased the Pacific division from PanAm for that very reason. (What's the number one reason UAL is still in business today?)

Could YOU tell me definatively in 1988 that the rules would change and that the N. Atlantic would be de-regulated within a few years?

This business is a crap shoot. 9/11 didn't change that--it just expanded those whose careers are crap as a result of the industry being a gamble. I very happy for you that you guessed correctly. A whole lot of '88-'89 hires at UAL, USAir, TWA, PAA, etc. did not.

TC

P.S.--Kitty is laid off just like the rest of us. He just chooses to try to explain things from his view. Like he says, he had no say in this matter--if we at TWA had been given DOH, relative position, "rightful place" or all of us stapled, he and the other "fodder" at the bottom of AA's (and everyone else's) list was along for the ride.

Now, will XTW or 'Slag PLEASE get me a friggin' beer?!

 

[D'Angelo]

Sounds like quite simply the American Pilots did what they were supposed to do. Get the best deal possible for themselves. After all TWA was bought out from bankruptcy by American no? Seems to me they saved your job, 9/11 was an unfortunate event that happened that put a snafu in everything. The company that is bailing someone out should always have the upper hand. If it werent for American all of your pilots would have been furloughed anyway. Sometimes you just get the short end of the stick. This proves one point though. Unions are corrupt organizations that must be impeached! Impeach those ALPO sobs!

 

[PHXFLYR]

Did you guys hear AWA and USAir are merging....... ????


PHXFLYR

 

[aa73]

D'Angelo,

Dude...we almost had a cease fire! The conversation was almost civil!

Here we go again...

 

[C-150ETOPS]

C150ETOPS--Ok, I didn't want to but I will... Leon left TWA because he was capped out in his career.

He had a seniority number and a chance to go back to the line didn't he?

 

[enigma]

Sounds like quite simply the American Pilots did what they were supposed to do. Get the best deal possible for themselves. After all TWA was bought out from bankruptcy by American no? Seems to me they saved your job, 9/11 was an unfortunate event that happened that put a snafu in everything. The company that is bailing someone out should always have the upper hand. If it werent for American all of your pilots would have been furloughed anyway. Sometimes you just get the short end of the stick. This proves one point though. Unions are corrupt organizations that must be impeached! Impeach those ALPO sobs!

It has been contended that TWA's bankruptcy was solely to facilitate the AA buyout. I.e. had there been no buyout, TWA would have continued, struggled but continued. I would think that Sept11 would have done TWA in, but the argument can be made that TWA would still be here were it not for the AA buyout.

enigma

 

[enigma]

Did you guys hear AWA and USAir are merging....... ????


PHXFLYR

I seem to remember something about this, but who cares? We got us hijack going down!!!!!!!

enigma

Sorry, I couldn't resist Good Luck to you all.

 

[blzr]

Then why is the new callsign for the merged carrier - "CACTUS"

Remember Mr (and I use that term loosely) Lakefield publicly stated he would rather be playing Golf than making this merger happen - he got paid either way.




.

Yes, you are right, but callsigns smallsigns, What is the Companie's name? U.S. Airways...

That is all.....

 

[D'Angelo]

ALPO basically got greedy. They probably got all excited over the potential to get American Pilots back(didnt they vote ALPO off the property earlier? Hmmmm I wonder why). They sold their own pilots down the river using greed as their motive. Guess what ALPO got left at the altar again and the APA was probably laughing at how greed got the best of ALPO once again. See a pattern here? Goes to show ALPA is a buisness just like everyone else

 

[Mach8Forest]

ALPO basically got greedy. They probably got all excited over the potential to get American Pilots back(didnt they vote ALPO off the property earlier? Hmmmm I wonder why). They sold their own pilots down the river using greed as their motive. Guess what ALPO got left at the altar again and the APA was probably laughing at how greed got the best of ALPO once again. See a pattern here? Goes to show ALPA is a buisness just like everyone else

I agree with this idiot on his last post.
What's the world coming to? Please don't answer this dangerkitty I am tired.
Mach8Forest

 

[ironspud]

You make some valid points however I am starting to grow weary of this thread.

I will leave you with this though. I am not "jumping all over a bitter TWA pilot." If he wants to be bitter and unhappy that is his problem.

But when he blames all his problems in life on these APA "scabs" I take exception to that. I am not happy with the way things turned out either.

Did the TWA pilots get screwed? Yes. However like I have said many times over and over again, I along with the other 99% of APA pilots had nothing to do with it.

Except...that it was a "pathetic little career".

 

[AAslag]

I have told all of you that this will not end. Please prove me wrong.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Except...that it was a "pathetic little career".

Maybe for you

 

[ironspud]

Maybe for you

Your words. I sincerely hope you eat 'em. You deserve to.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Your words. I sincerely hope you eat 'em. You deserve to.

Why? What have I ever done to you?

This is the problem I have with you some of you TWA "whoa is me" types. I did absolutely NOTHING to you yet you hate me for no other reason than I was flying AA metal when AA bought TWA.

I have gotten on with my life (while being furloughed) sorry you can't say the same.

 

[ironspud]

Why? What have I ever done to you?

This is the problem I have with you some of you TWA "whoa is me" types. I did absolutely NOTHING to you yet you hate me for no other reason than I was flying AA metal when AA bought TWA.

I have gotten on with my life (while being furloughed) sorry you can't say the same.

Riiiiiight.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Riiiiiight.

Another lame answer from another lame TWA pilot.

All you can do is throw insults but you can't add anything of substance. Sorry your life is so $hitty spud. But it aint my fault.

Come back when you have something to add.

 

[Mach8Forest]

Another lame answer from another lame TWA pilot.

All you can do is throw insults but you can't add anything of substance. Sorry your life is so $hitty spud. But it aint my fault.

Come back when you have something to add.

Good morning Kitty,
Just wanted to say Hello. I wish you luck at your current Fortune 500 corporate flying job. They can be great jobs as long as the corporation is doing well. Can you imagine if your current employer buys another corporation that has planes and pilots? You might be able to advance your career greatly by throwing their pilots out on the street. Its been done before and from your experience you could then blame it on your union. It would not be any one individual pilots fault. As far as respect goes who gives a rats AAss how long these other pilots have been there or about their families. It would not be your fault that they had pathetic little careers. You would have the right to their seats and Jets, as it would be your employer that bought out theirs.
Keep your APA membership manual handy. You could use it as a guide of how to slaughter another pilot group under the disguise of a union. Remember it wouldn’t be your fault. It’s THE UNIONS FAULT.

Mach8Forest

 

[ironspud]

Another lame answer from another lame TWA pilot.

All you can do is throw insults but you can't add anything of substance. Sorry your life is so $hitty spud. But it aint my fault.

Come back when you have something to add.

Riiiiiight.