US Airways execs meet with Pilots

[satpak77]

http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/sto...aders.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (TheStreet) -- Top US Airways(LCC) executives met with the airline's pilot leaders Monday to discuss the state of merger talks with United(UAUA). "The purpose of the meeting was to once again underscore USAPA's willingness to work cooperatively with our company's management to facilitate any transaction that brings true value to all the potential stakeholders, including our pilots," said the US Airline Pilots Association in a brief statement. USAPA president Mike Cleary said the union will work with the carrier to "evaluate any potential transaction." The meeting included Cleary and union vice president Randy Mowrey, as well as US Airways CEO Doug Parker, President Scott Kirby and COO Robert Isom.

 

[rudder]

The only upside to a UA/US merger would be the demise of USAPA.

 

[ultrarunner]

Wow, NIC hasn't even been implement, no single contract, and they are meeting to discuss a merger???

Incredible. But you're right, UAL will shove USAPA right up their crap hole, which is a good thing....

 

[TWA Dude]

Uh-uh, according to USAPA's attorney Lee Seham the United pilots will vote in USAPA.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xO8PnZWWnE

Best part comes up at the 5 minute point.

 

[BeCareful!]

Yawn....old news. And what he says later about UAL pilots and their latest thinking about seniority seems to be true. I know of exactly zero UAL pilots who think a 2004 hire date should net you narrow body captain or widebody FO with a block.

Good luck with that ploy....

 

[eaglesview]

I don't know why many of you think we are all behind ALPA at UAL. Most of the narrowbody types that have flown under a different set of rules than the widebody will tell ALPA to kiss off given half a chance. I would vote independant union in a heart beat, As I have said before if United is the name that were to survive, all we got to do is remove the S from USAPA.

 

[TWA Dude]

It's no shock that many at UAL are dissatisfied with ALPA. As I've said before, when times are bad nobody is happy with their union. Unions are a very convenient scapegoat, ie, why didn't they stop xxx from happening?

However, the obvious discontent with ALPA doesn't necessarily translate to voting in a new union. Calm, rational minds understand that changing to an independent union won't solve any problems. The USAir Easties should've known better but they let their emotions and misplaced trust in Seham lead them down the wrong path. For now I'm going to trust the UAL pilots not to make the same mistake.

 

[eaglesview]

It's no shock that many at UAL are dissatisfied with ALPA. As I've said before, when times are bad nobody is happy with their union. Unions are a very convenient scapegoat, ie, why didn't they stop xxx from happening?

However, the obvious discontent with ALPA doesn't necessarily translate to voting in a new union. Calm, rational minds understand that changing to an independent union won't solve any problems. The USAir Easties should've known better but they let their emotions and misplaced trust in Seham lead them down the wrong path. For now I'm going to trust the UAL pilots not to make the same mistake.

You are of course welcome to your opinion. I would choose to belong to a union that has my best interests, and only my, best interest in mind. ALPA gave that up when they decided to represent pilots that compete for the same flying as me. I am all for the RJ pilots getting as much pay as they can. I understand that is also in my favor however they, and I do not have to belong to the same union. An obvious conflict of interest.

As for trusting us?? I don't know. We will vote as best we can with our wallets.

 

[TWA Dude]

Lemme ask you, IYO how has USAPA been working out for the US Airways pilots so far?

 

[eaglesview]

Lemme ask you, IYO how has USAPA been working out for the US Airways pilots so far?

In my opinion they have been successful in protecting what they believe is theirs. I am aware that most of the west guys will argue they could have had a raise by now if they had merged, however there is no contractual raise big enough to cover the lost pay resulting in the loss of upgrades they would suffer with the nic. I am not making a political statement here that is simply math facts. Pilots vote with their wallets. This is why in my opinion a merger with USAir will not work with the nic in place. Though we would benefit short term, in the long run we are better off with DOH or longevity because of the age of the East pilots.

 

[BeCareful!]

Lemme ask you, IYO how has USAPA been working out for the US Airways pilots so far?

Very, very well. Oh, but lemme guess, you have a different opinion....

 

[Bringupthebird]

In my opinion they have been successful in protecting what they believe is theirs.

That's the problem. When you form a union, you have to protect ALL the interests, not pick sides and disenfranchise the rest. Had they stayed with ALPA, then USALPA could have protected THEIR interests legitimately.

No one at USAPA seems to get this simple premise.

 

[becket]

In my opinion they have been successful in protecting what they believe is theirs.

Exactly who are "They"?

 

[BeCareful!]

Had they stayed with ALPA, then USALPA could have protected THEIR interests legitimately.

No one at USAPA seems to get this simple premise.

Right. We were getting stellar representation from ALPA!

No one at America West seems to get the simple fact that ALPA had been failing at USAIR for many years. It wasn't all visible from the outside looking in. The in-fighting, the stupid politics, the loser mentality of ALPA on this property is what got them ousted. Those boys put up a mighty (and shamefully dishonest) fight to stay in power. Some of them are desperately trying to take over USAPA right now, because they hate flying the line under the contract they so proudly delivered to us. They are Union Boys first, with piloting a distant fifth or sixth on their priority list (IMO).

ALPA has morphed into this sort of thing elsewhere. I'm not saying UAL would vote USAPA in; I think that's far-fetched. But an independent union is a really, really good thing, regardless of the outcome in this particular instance. ALPA has gotten too political for its own good. No one's interests were being served at U-ALPA, except for ALPA's.

 

[TWA Dude]

In my opinion they have been successful in protecting what they believe is theirs.

That's like saying Bernie Madoff did a good job acquiring wealth. You can't just ignore how he did it.

I know you've said before how you disapprove of the East's method (that whole binding arbitration thing) so it thoroughly confuses me that you would say they're protection what they believe is theirs. Unethical behavior such as theirs should not be deemed successful.

 

[St. Nic]

eagle is a true east pilot, a man of character and integerty. He offers a balanced view

 

[eaglesview]

That's like saying Bernie Madoff did a good job acquiring wealth. You can't just ignore how he did it.

I know you've said before how you disapprove of the East's method (that whole binding arbitration thing) so it thoroughly confuses me that you would say they're protection what they believe is theirs. Unethical behavior such as theirs should not be deemed successful.

Are they still seperate?? have they allowed an AWA pilot with less longevity to jump over them?? They have been succesful so far at keeping what was THEY, not you, believe is theirs. That is just the facts, I am not stating anything that is not true here.

A child screeming in the grocery store for that candy bar until he gets it is not showing good behavior, but he was succesful.

 

[TWA Dude]

A child screeming in the grocery store for that candy bar until he gets it is not showing good behavior, but he was succesful.

Alas, another thing we can agree on: the Easties are like children screaming in grocery store. So what does the fact that you admire them say about you?

 

[get2flyin]

Yawn....old news. And what he says later about UAL pilots and their latest thinking about seniority seems to be true. I know of exactly zero UAL pilots who think a 2004 hire date should net you narrow body captain or widebody FO with a block.

Good luck with that ploy....

Uh, that's a fine bit of flamebait. Most of the 2004 hires are on the street and the Spring 2004 hires just dodged furlough and are expecting to surf the bottom of the seniority list for a long time.

Stop trying to spread rumors to the United pilots, D-bag.:bomb:

 

[j32wreck]

In my opinion they have been successful in protecting what they believe is theirs. I am aware that most of the west guys will argue they could have had a raise by now if they had merged, however there is no contractual raise big enough to cover the lost pay resulting in the loss of upgrades they would suffer with the nic. I am not making a political statement here that is simply math facts. Pilots vote with their wallets. This is why in my opinion a merger with USAir will not work with the nic in place. Though we would benefit short term, in the long run we are better off with DOH or longevity because of the age of the East pilots.

Really? Got some numbers for that?