US Airways execs meet with Pilots

[BeCareful!]

Lemme ask you, IYO how has USAPA been working out for the US Airways pilots so far?

Very, very well. Oh, but lemme guess, you have a different opinion....

 

[Bringupthebird]

In my opinion they have been successful in protecting what they believe is theirs.

That's the problem. When you form a union, you have to protect ALL the interests, not pick sides and disenfranchise the rest. Had they stayed with ALPA, then USALPA could have protected THEIR interests legitimately.

No one at USAPA seems to get this simple premise.

 

[becket]

In my opinion they have been successful in protecting what they believe is theirs.

Exactly who are "They"?

 

[BeCareful!]

Had they stayed with ALPA, then USALPA could have protected THEIR interests legitimately.

No one at USAPA seems to get this simple premise.

Right. We were getting stellar representation from ALPA!

No one at America West seems to get the simple fact that ALPA had been failing at USAIR for many years. It wasn't all visible from the outside looking in. The in-fighting, the stupid politics, the loser mentality of ALPA on this property is what got them ousted. Those boys put up a mighty (and shamefully dishonest) fight to stay in power. Some of them are desperately trying to take over USAPA right now, because they hate flying the line under the contract they so proudly delivered to us. They are Union Boys first, with piloting a distant fifth or sixth on their priority list (IMO).

ALPA has morphed into this sort of thing elsewhere. I'm not saying UAL would vote USAPA in; I think that's far-fetched. But an independent union is a really, really good thing, regardless of the outcome in this particular instance. ALPA has gotten too political for its own good. No one's interests were being served at U-ALPA, except for ALPA's.

 

[TWA Dude]

In my opinion they have been successful in protecting what they believe is theirs.

That's like saying Bernie Madoff did a good job acquiring wealth. You can't just ignore how he did it.

I know you've said before how you disapprove of the East's method (that whole binding arbitration thing) so it thoroughly confuses me that you would say they're protection what they believe is theirs. Unethical behavior such as theirs should not be deemed successful.

 

[St. Nic]

eagle is a true east pilot, a man of character and integerty. He offers a balanced view

 

[eaglesview]

That's like saying Bernie Madoff did a good job acquiring wealth. You can't just ignore how he did it.

I know you've said before how you disapprove of the East's method (that whole binding arbitration thing) so it thoroughly confuses me that you would say they're protection what they believe is theirs. Unethical behavior such as theirs should not be deemed successful.

Are they still seperate?? have they allowed an AWA pilot with less longevity to jump over them?? They have been succesful so far at keeping what was THEY, not you, believe is theirs. That is just the facts, I am not stating anything that is not true here.

A child screeming in the grocery store for that candy bar until he gets it is not showing good behavior, but he was succesful.

 

[TWA Dude]

A child screeming in the grocery store for that candy bar until he gets it is not showing good behavior, but he was succesful.

Alas, another thing we can agree on: the Easties are like children screaming in grocery store. So what does the fact that you admire them say about you?

 

[get2flyin]

Yawn....old news. And what he says later about UAL pilots and their latest thinking about seniority seems to be true. I know of exactly zero UAL pilots who think a 2004 hire date should net you narrow body captain or widebody FO with a block.

Good luck with that ploy....

Uh, that's a fine bit of flamebait. Most of the 2004 hires are on the street and the Spring 2004 hires just dodged furlough and are expecting to surf the bottom of the seniority list for a long time.

Stop trying to spread rumors to the United pilots, D-bag.:bomb:

 

[j32wreck]

In my opinion they have been successful in protecting what they believe is theirs. I am aware that most of the west guys will argue they could have had a raise by now if they had merged, however there is no contractual raise big enough to cover the lost pay resulting in the loss of upgrades they would suffer with the nic. I am not making a political statement here that is simply math facts. Pilots vote with their wallets. This is why in my opinion a merger with USAir will not work with the nic in place. Though we would benefit short term, in the long run we are better off with DOH or longevity because of the age of the East pilots.

Really? Got some numbers for that?